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Paul clarified for me:

 

"David, you misunderstood but I understand the confusion. What I wanted to emphasize is that selecting profiles has now become possible per image"

 

Thanks for that explanation. This feature alone would be a big improvement for me. On balance, I think I'll wait for the final version, and let those better qualified than I am sort out the bugs on behalf of the rest of us.

 

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Marcel, thanks for your reply. Nice to have a thread on CO4 going on. Some reactions from my side:

 

I myself encounter some problem:

- C1 v.4 couldn't be run on my desktop (PC Windows XP/SP2) and fault report tool was also buggy so couldn't be useful to PO (C1 beta forum showed that I'm not alone in this case.

- exactly same beta build 10283 installed Ok on my laptop (PC Windows XP/SP2 !).

 

Sorry to hear that. This is part of the beta, I think, some do some don't work. I have build 10283 running on XP/SP2 on my MacBook Pro with Boot Camp (for the non-initiated: XP runs native on a separate partition on the Intel Mac; nice for speed comparison). I also have XP/SP2 running in a VMware Fusion virtual machine with Capture One 4 beta. No problems so far. These are 'clean' machines with very little software installed.

 

As also "old dog" syndrome makes that I am not impressed by the menu plethoric UI but found that the speed is much better than C1 v 377 (previews and raw treatment).

The new UI is too dark and icones are too small this is my view but YMMV.

 

I am with you. I do hope that the interface becomes visually more clear and easier to grasp (getting unclear myself I am afraid). In short: bigger buttons :p

 

I don't like at all that C1 v.4 beta creates directories (sometimes very big according to the previews and work you did) everywhere your DNG are situated! This is very space consuming!

And cleaning is boring.

 

The work and preview files are now organised the way they were/are for the Mac version. Although I needed to get used to that too (switching from Win to Mac a few years ago), it makes sense. Many Capture One on Windows users have no idea to how many work and preview files are stored in the Previews subfolder under Program Files and the amount of GBs involved in it (slowing CO down). It has to do with Win32 compatibility as well: users should not write below Program Files subfolders. They must keep their stuff in the User Profile folders. A cleaning up option is a good remark!

 

Custom profiles: you can use any ICC profiles you used in v.377: as Jamie said:

you must rename the xxx.icc profile into LeicaM8-xxx.icc and put this into the directory:

Capture one 4\Color profiles\DSLR\

This is valid for Windows systems. It works well in particular for the JFI BW profiles.

 

Thanks, great tip, I missed that. Will try. For others: the profiles folders are now in the program subfolder in Win or Mac for CO4 beta. Full path for CO4b/Windows:

<drive>\Program Files\Phase One\Capture One 4\Color Profiles\DSLR

Full path for CO4b/Mac:

<volume>/Applications/Capture One/Contents/Resources/Profiles/Input

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Paul, I use Microsoft Expression (formally iView Media Pro) to manage my images. The M8 DNGs that come out of the camera only have a small embedded Jpeg and this means I can't get a full screen preview out of them. By pushing them through the DNG converter I can select a full sized Jpeg, and hence a full screen preview.

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I'm glad to hear that relabeling and moving the JFI profiles does work. Now for the ETC profiles -- has anyone seen them made useable?

 

Scott,

 

I have the ETC profiles for the Canon 5D/1D MkII/1Ds MkII. Thanks to the tips I got here today, they now all work with the CO4 beta (Mac). Proper renaming is the game and proper location as well. See my previous post for the location.

Renaming the profile: the profile must match what Phase One uses for that type of camera up to the first dash in the name as poster papimuzo pointed out to me.

For example:

CanonEOS1DMKII-xxx.icc

CanonEOS1DsMKII-xxx.icc

CanonEOS5D-xxx.icc

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Well I'm getting horrible garish colours using the generic M8 profile, and more noise than with ACR. I'm obviously doing something wrong, is there a manual anywhere to consult?

 

That is really strange Steve. I just compared an evening image @ ISO 640, untouched in CO3.7.7, CO4beta and ACR4.2. CO4beta really shines in color translation, sharpness and lack off noise. To be honest, I had not compared them before and I am surprised by the clear differences. Next comes CO3.7.7 and last ACR4.

That does not help you. No manual I am aware of exist. Is it just one image or many different that gives you bad colors and noise? What is your output profile (AdobeRGB for example). Right imput profile (with/without IR cut filter). Just trying to help. Start with zero adjustments. Maybe try some test images that you did not run through the DNG converter and than convert in both CO4beta and ACR?

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Thanks Paul, I'm using the Generic Leica M8 UV-IR profile and Prophoto output colour space.

 

I'm running the DNGs through the Adobe DNG converter before pushing them through C1, I wonder if that's the cause of the problem. Here's a 100% shot of one of the images using the Leica M8 profile above. - I converted to sRGB before saving for web I'm obviously doing something wrong, but without any documentation it's difficult to know what. Using the Generic DNG profile gives much better results.

 

Here's the Generic M8 profile version - I know the face is out of focus, but this was the first DNG I tried

 

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Here's the same file but using the Adobe Generic DNG profile...

 

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Steve maybe the DNG converter is doing something

 

It maybe carrying a color profile tag from the DNG converter that is coming from another camera profile, like a Nikon or canon

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Check this shot. Steve this is the leica generic IR filter profile, than i did the same image in LR both of these WB but did nothing else. I only picked this shot because it was shot outdoors and also because of the colors in it, the girls are not why:D

 

First one is C1 in the new beta and this actually looks really good the , reds and greens are very good

 

Second one is from LR which i like LR on outside images. i really need to compare these two converters but i want to wait until it is not beta anymore. Than the other day i did portraits in C1 and they sucked color wise. I don't now what is going on with this beta yet but this shoot looks promising in it.

 

Now for me on outside stuff i have to be careful because it is so bright here i think the normal kelvin is around 5800 with a color meter when i checked it a year ago

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If your seing what i am seeing red , green and yellow look nicer in C1 and blue looks better in LR. i shot these with the 35 cron and in the finals i opened the shadows up which i love the fill on these converters there is so much elbow room

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Gene, were you able to select multiple images? You can do this buy using Shift or Cmd (Mac) / Shift or Ctrl (Win) respectively. Also you can select by rating in the Browser. All selected images will appear in the Viewer (if set to multi image on top of it). When you select Process, all selected images will start processing from the queue.

 

Paul,

Thanks for the tip. I will try that and see how it works.

Gene

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Thanks for all the input. I don't have any DNG files with me that haven't been through the Adobe converter. I'll have a further play at the weekend when I can get some.

 

I think the DNG converter has to have something to do with the issues I'm getting.

 

Steve,

 

I have been following this thread and your misery with DNG's . And I was an Iview Media Pro user.

 

'Was' is the word, and though my experiences may not be useful to you, bear with me :)

 

Once I discovered, after years of faithful Iview use with my Canon's, that neither the old Iview nor the new Expression read Leica DNG's, and when responses from Microsoft were very uninterested, I switched over to Lightroom. I can not work with a program that is not reading my RAW's, and I do not wish to put in an intermediate conversion.

 

I have not looked back one second. The archiving possibilities of LR are ample and enough for me. Sice version 1.1. Lightroom has the same Catalog system as Iview had. The Adobe Raw conversion is built in and the results are fine with me. A little on the warm side sometimes: easily corrected. As to speed: I see no differences. Only Lightroom misses the full screen views of Iview: a pity.

 

And now even Lightroom works together with DXO.

 

Im Amsterdam I still see copies in shops for EUR199. Maybe you can first try a demo.

 

To be considered!

(And this is my post # 100!)

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Hi Sander

 

Yes, there are many Lightroom users here. Still, some feel, and this is borne out by tests in LFI for instance, that C1 resolves fine detail better and C4 should do even better.

I an quite impressed with Bibble btw.

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