jaapv Posted September 21, 2007 Author Share #21 Â Posted September 21, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) btw, I enjoy your photos Jaap. Â That's all that counts, thank you Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted September 21, 2007 Posted September 21, 2007 Hi jaapv, Take a look here Will the M8 delay the R10?. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
elansprint72 Posted September 21, 2007 Share #22 Â Posted September 21, 2007 Jaap, Good weather forecast for your region tomorrow- be up at first light, lost of birds heading South. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulmoore Posted September 21, 2007 Share #23 Â Posted September 21, 2007 Lets get back OT. I'm at least part of me is a wildlife photographer. I'm pining for an R10, but one that will probably never be....A small box, with a 1.3 or 1.5 sensor whch takes the superb R telezooms and has an image quality equal to the M8. Manual focus and simple on-nonsense, complementing my M8.... Leica please? And make a space to build it soon? Â I think that the only way forward is larger for the sensor.. not smaller..the dmr is almost big enough for me and I think for the buying professional market..I think you should look at the 4:3 cameras if you want smaller and still leica lenses., the r10 needs to be 16-20 mp..period..of course imho. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted September 21, 2007 Author Share #24 Â Posted September 21, 2007 I think that the only way forward is larger for the sensor.. not smaller..the dmr is almost big enough for me and I think for the buying professional market..I think you should look at the 4:3 cameras if you want smaller and still leica lenses., the r10 needs to be 16-20 mp..period..of course imho. Â You wouldn't say that if you had to carry 12 kg's of stuff in 45 Centigrade. 4/3 sensors still don't make the grade for me, if I have to switch between them and the M8, and the viewfinder is impossible for manual focus, which is needed for for instance the 80-200R or 280/4.0 apo and for most wildlife shots in general imo.The alternative might be a 40D, but that is a Cmos sensor with a totally different look from Leica's CCD and a tunnel-viewfinder too.... I need the FOV of a 400 lens on full-frame as a standard lens with up to 800 for longer shots..... On the R7 I had the 1.4 apo-extender and the 280 apo 4.0 practically glued on and it was heavy.....Even stacked that with the 2x apo extender sometimes - and it worked, and was not as bad as full-fledged 560 lenses etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
topoxforddoc Posted September 21, 2007 Share #25  Posted September 21, 2007 I was told by my Leica dealer in the UK that he thought the R10 would be a while coming. Solms is flat out making the M8 and Leica have no more capacity in the system  Charlie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulmoore Posted September 21, 2007 Share #26  Posted September 21, 2007 I was told by my Leica dealer in the UK that he thought the R10 would be a while coming. Solms is flat out making the M8 and Leica have no more capacity in the system Charlie  wow, they only make one camera type at a time, I didn't know that..do they stop at some point and make some lenses? or maybe those are done at night? I think instead that most dealers are as clueless as us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted September 21, 2007 Share #27 Â Posted September 21, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) If Leica haven't shut their Portuguese site, I would expect any R10 to be assembled there, and not in Germany. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
carstenw Posted September 22, 2007 Share #28 Â Posted September 22, 2007 Design and manufacture are two different things. The R10 is in the design stage, where there is zero competition from the M8. By the time Leica is ready to announce the R10 at photokina 2008, the M8 craze will likely have died down, making room for the R10 on the, by then expanded, production lines. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tummydoc Posted September 22, 2007 Share #29  Posted September 22, 2007 I was told by my Leica dealer in the UK that he thought the R10 would be a while coming. Solms is flat out making the M8 and Leica have no more capacity in the system Charlie  Dr. Kaufmann has plans to move the Leica camera operation back to Wetzlar. The goal is more capacity combined with more efficiency and better quality control, parameters he and Mr. Lee agree that Leica could well stand to improve. The time-table isn't clear at this point, so it would be impossible to predict whether it will have an impact on the R10 or what the nature of that impact could be. But the R10 is definitely not vapourware. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elansprint72 Posted September 23, 2007 Share #30 Â Posted September 23, 2007 Dr. Kaufmann has plans to move the Leica camera operation back to Wetzlar. The goal is more capacity combined with more efficiency and better quality control, parameters he and Mr. Lee agree that Leica could well stand to improve. The time-table isn't clear at this point, so it would be impossible to predict whether it will have an impact on the R10 or what the nature of that impact could be. But the R10 is definitely not vapourware. Â Did you read this somewhere, or do you know these two people? Perhaps you work at Solms? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
carstenw Posted September 23, 2007 Share #31 Â Posted September 23, 2007 Pete, if you mean the move to Wetzlar, it has been mentioned explicitly in at least two interviews, one with Steven K. Lee, one with Dr. Kaufmann. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riley Posted September 24, 2007 Share #32 Â Posted September 24, 2007 bugger it, just start another bag thread btw: one of the worst flamers of M8 over at FM now appears to be looking to buy one... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adan Posted September 24, 2007 Share #33 Â Posted September 24, 2007 Jaap: The M8 has been and will be nothing but GOOD for the hypothetical R10 - providing profits and a test-bed for the new manufacturing regime and culture that Kaufmann and Lee (and Stiftig) have brought to Leica in its various locations. As well as giving Leica a nice education in marketing and customer expectations for digital and so on. Â Realistically, the R10 is pretty "vaporish" in my books - until Leica confirms publically a whole lot more than they have so far. But that's not because the M8 is tying up capacity - the R10 is nowhere close to needing any capacity yet. Â I would bet that the BEST case is that the R10 follows the M8 schedule plus 2 years - about Dec. of this year we'll get basic specs (pixel count, sensor size, AF/no AF, max. price in euros (dollar is too weird these days for a firm dollar price), delivery quarter, etc). Hand-made prototypes tested by, say, April 08. Preproduction samples for beta-testers in May-June. Production training and staff familiarization July-Sept. Production ramp-up in August-Sept. 08. Announcement at PhotoKina 08, with deliveries "in the 4th quarter" of 08. Â So nearly a year to go before R10 production starts to need capacity. And that's on a pretty accelerated schedule. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dhsimmonds Posted September 24, 2007 Share #34 Â Posted September 24, 2007 Lets get back OT. I'm at least part of me is a wildlife photographer. I'm pining for an R10, but one that will probably never be....A small box, with a 1.3 or 1.5 sensor whch takes the superb R telezooms and has an image quality equal to the M8. Manual focus and simple on-nonsense, complementing my M8.... Leica please? And make a space to build it soon? Â Isn't that the spec. for the DMR? the very best digital camera accessory that Leica have ever produced? Depending on what the R10 is like for spec. and quality, it may prove to be the best ever, period! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tummydoc Posted September 24, 2007 Share #35 Â Posted September 24, 2007 Did you read this somewhere, or do you know these two people? Perhaps you work at Solms? Â Yes. Yes. No but I visit often. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted September 24, 2007 Author Share #36 Â Posted September 24, 2007 Isn't that the spec. for the DMR? the very best digital camera accessory that Leica have ever produced? Depending on what the R10 is like for spec. and quality, it may prove to be the best ever, period! Â Well, it does not quite fit in the "small box" catgory. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tummydoc Posted September 24, 2007 Share #37 Â Posted September 24, 2007 Well, it does not quite fit in the "small box" catgory. Â From Leica's perspective, small coffin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaraldL Posted September 24, 2007 Share #38 Â Posted September 24, 2007 btw, I enjoy your photos Jaap. Â And the 40*60 cm prints you showed me are excellent as well, Jaap. Therefore I'll stick to printing M8 files, and won't grab to 6*6 to easily. But maybe a R10... Â Harald Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
carstenw Posted September 25, 2007 Share #39 Â Posted September 25, 2007 bugger it, just start another bag threadbtw: one of the worst flamers of M8 over at FM now appears to be looking to buy one... Who is that, shirozina? Or what is this other guy's name, in Britain somewhere, who uses a 5D... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Flatline Posted September 25, 2007 Share #40 Â Posted September 25, 2007 I'm just guessing but I bet Leica would have a different production line for the R and the M - they would want to build both, not either/or. Â Lenses are different matter though. If the R becomes the kind of hit the M has become, they will need to increase lens production capacity. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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