Photoworks Posted October 3, 2022 Share #1 Posted October 3, 2022 Advertisement (gone after registration) Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/338699-leica-is-the-camera-for-the-one-percenters/?do=findComment&comment=4523453'>More sharing options...
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Jeff S Posted October 3, 2022 Share #2 Posted October 3, 2022 For pros surveyed in the small poll; 2% for amateurs. In 2016, Leica market share was about 1%. https://leicarumors.com/2016/10/28/leica-is-selling-over-10000-cameras-per-year.aspx/amp/ Since then, Leica has expanded products and sales in a declining (outside of phone cameras) industry. But I haven’t seen any current stats on market share. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eclectic Man Posted October 5, 2022 Share #3 Posted October 5, 2022 It does not seem to show whether the respondents actually bought their own gear, although I suspect that most amateurs do. Looks like the survey was of 280 professional photographers, who often use equipment provided by their employers (press photographers employed by the media have access to some awesome kit, like 400mm f/2.8 lenses) and 720 amateurs. (Clearly Hasselblad is used by too few to rate a separate listing and included in the "Other" category.) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DenverSteve Posted December 11, 2022 Share #4 Posted December 11, 2022 It makes sense. The price-point of Leica cameras puts them in the 1% of most things. $5000-$1000 camera purchases are not the norm and 1-2% seems about right. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LEGEND Posted December 11, 2022 Share #5 Posted December 11, 2022 On 10/3/2022 at 5:53 PM, Photoworks said: Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! It is nice to know that I am the 1% even if I have no money... 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genoweffa Posted December 19, 2022 Share #6 Posted December 19, 2022 pls define 1%.. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted December 19, 2022 Share #7 Posted December 19, 2022 Advertisement (gone after registration) 20 minutes ago, Genoweffa said: pls define 1%.. Henri Cartier Bresson, Ansel Adams, Winogrand, Friedlander, Robert Frank ;-). 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genoweffa Posted December 19, 2022 Share #8 Posted December 19, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, SrMi said: Henri Cartier Bresson, Ansel Adams, Winogrand, Friedlander, Robert Frank ;-). wait a minute... 1% -$$$$🏦🏦🏦➡️own 📷? or 1%-📷 owners among 📷📷📷 ? Edited December 19, 2022 by Genoweffa 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steffen Skopp Posted December 20, 2022 Share #9 Posted December 20, 2022 Market Share is calculated in quantities or value. Quantities does not count that much for Leica. So, what's the point? Leica is premium, and that's not made for the 99%. If you feel more comfortable to have the everyone's-darling-camera -> go for it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LEGEND Posted December 20, 2022 Share #10 Posted December 20, 2022 18 hours ago, Genoweffa said: wait a minute... 1% -$$$$🏦🏦🏦➡️own 📷? or 1%-📷 owners among 📷📷📷 ? I like to seem my self in the first category... Even if this is not the case in the real life... Nikola Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anbaric Posted December 20, 2022 Share #11 Posted December 20, 2022 22 hours ago, Genoweffa said: pls define 1%.. In an earlier thread, someone mentioned they'd bought a Leica with a month's wages from their first job several decades ago, and that they could still buy a current Leica with what they earn in a month now. If you want a new M11 and an APO-Summicron and can afford to buy it with a month's salary today, that would place you in the top 1% of earners where I live. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Camaro5 Posted December 20, 2022 Share #12 Posted December 20, 2022 (edited) It's interesting that out in the wild I rarely see someone with a Leica. I did see a guy with an M10R & 50 APO at a pool party last summer and he was a billionaire. He actually stopped me to talk about my Q2. I am not a billionaire, but it's nice to have something in common with one. That would be about the only thing. TWO Leicas at the same party. Imagine that. I've had several people comment on my cameras when I'm out shooting. Most of the comments are about how much they cost vs. how good the images are. I always tell them that I didn't start with high-end gear, and worked my way up over the years. Edited December 20, 2022 by Camaro5 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LEGEND Posted December 20, 2022 Share #13 Posted December 20, 2022 I am and I am not in 1%. It depend how you look at this… I had saved some money, around 8000 Euro some years ago. With this I purchased one new Leica M Monochrom with 3 extra batteries. This Leica MM was also my first digital camera. Until then I had only shoot on film. I used MM for 3 years than sold her for 3000 Euro some guy in Singapore. To this money from MM I added 1500 Euro and purchased used M240 because I wanted to shoot in color. Later that year I sold my Leica MP A la Carte Black Paint with Black Lizard skin for 2000 Euro to the same guy from I buyed used M240. After 1 year of shooting with M240 I made a deal with one guy from Italy. He gave me his used SL601 and Vario-Elmarit SL24-90 for my M240 and 1200 Euro extra. Used this for around 3 years and in the mean time I buyed back my Leica MP from the same guy that I sold her to… For the same amount, 2000 Euro… He said that he have no time for analog photography otherwise he would not sold her... Later that year I made a nice deal for a M10-D… Swapped my MP + extra 3000 Euro for almost new Leica M10-D. The guy wanted 5000 Euro for her… I sold my SL601 body for 2000 Euro to one student in Germany and with that money + my M10-D I swapped her for a new Leica SL2 with a full warranty.. I started to experiment with video and at the moment the Leica SL2-S came out I swapped her for a new SL2-S. Used her for around year and half. In the mean time I got idea that I need rangefinder experience again so I swapped her and 24-90 and 4 extra batteries + 1000 Euro for a brand new M11 Silver Chrome and 2 extra batteries… Used my Leica M11 for around 8 months but I had problems with focusing because of my Astigmatism I concluded that is time to abandon the rangefinder altogether. I have prescription glasses but can’t shoot with them because they irritate me. So I decided to go back to the SL system and use mirrorless with my M lenses. No problem with focusing there… I made a deal with one official Leica Store to exchange my M11 for a new Leica SL2-S together with Leica M-Adapter-L , 3 extra batteries and one used Vario-Elmarit SL 24-90 … ( I also used this 650Euro coupon that Leica offered ) Somehow I always get lucky with this stuff, don't know why... That is my camera setup in the moment… People around me say that I am crazy to do all this but still… I use my Leica gear with great joy but not as a professional photographer but Leica aficionado photo enthusiast that some time will also get paid for the job… I calculated that with all this Leica camera buying, swapping and everything else I give in a year approximately 1600 Euro for my photography and privilege to use a Leica. This is not even 135 Euro in month… I have budget around 500 Euro in month. From this I use 80 Euro for food and 40 Euro for Utilities cost… But on the other hand I own a house, live alone, have no wife or kids or a car….. I also live in Bosnia and we have in the moment around 17,5% inflation, I think…And this is the reason that I can afford a Leica cameras and lenses. You just need to know what you want, how to adjust the finances and menage the budget… My Leica journey is very strange, exiting and interesting… I hope it will continue to be like this in the future… We live in crazy times… Nikola 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardC Posted December 21, 2022 Share #14 Posted December 21, 2022 19 hours ago, Anbaric said: In an earlier thread, someone mentioned they'd bought a Leica with a month's wages from their first job several decades ago, and that they could still buy a current Leica with what they earn in a month now. If you want a new M11 and an APO-Summicron and can afford to buy it with a month's salary today, that would place you in the top 1% of earners where I live. An uncle told me that a new Leica or Rolleiflex was worth a year's salary in the late 1940s. He was a young graduate after the war, starting his career. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herr Barnack Posted December 21, 2022 Share #15 Posted December 21, 2022 On 12/11/2022 at 5:43 AM, LEGEND said: It is nice to know that I am the 1% even if I have no money... Same here. 😅 People who don't know much about the world of photography sometimes wrongly assume that Leica cameras are the playthings of the ultra wealthy and that "real" photographers don't use Leica. I would counter that the photographers of Magnum are indeed "real" photographers, as are Peter Turnley, Ragnar Axelsson, Steve McCurry and the numerous photographer/instructors of Leica Academy around the world. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anbaric Posted December 21, 2022 Share #16 Posted December 21, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, BernardC said: An uncle told me that a new Leica or Rolleiflex was worth a year's salary in the late 1940s. He was a young graduate after the war, starting his career. I suspect one of the best times to buy a Leica would have been about 20 years ago, when you could pick up an M6-TTL + 35/2 ASPH for £2199, less than 6 weeks of the median gross salary in the UK at the time. The equivalent today is >3x more expensive (much more again for digital or an APO lens), but wages have only risen by ~60%, and the cost of living is considerably higher. Back then, the price of a Leica body was comparable to (say) a flagship professional SLR. Today, there's about a 40% premium on an M11 compared to (say) a Nikon Z9, and even the most basic M lenses are well over £2000, >4x the cost of competing mirrorless primes from other manufacturers. Edited December 21, 2022 by Anbaric Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pippy Posted December 21, 2022 Share #17 Posted December 21, 2022 (edited) The final category (Why do Pro / Am use DSLR) was quite interesting. Unlike all the rest of the boxes in the last one the 'Amateur' percentages for each answer (from 1-9) weren't in descending order but, apart from the lowest two scores where positions 8 and 9 are reversed, once 'ordered' the reasons listed for both parties are in exactly the same order. Philip. Edited December 21, 2022 by pippy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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