rick_dykstra Posted October 12, 2007 Share #101 Posted October 12, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) Hi Folks. These details passed on by a contact with good access: 24 x 36 mm sensor; 40 megapixels; autofocus; compatible with existing R lenses; announcement at photokina 2008. Ends. Sounds good to me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Riley Posted October 12, 2007 Share #102 Posted October 12, 2007 nice Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted October 12, 2007 Share #103 Posted October 12, 2007 That would be 4.6 um pixel pitch, or about half the pixel area of the current M8. Even the latest Canon is only 21Mp or so, Nikon are bucking the pixel race. Seems unlikely IMHO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rick_dykstra Posted October 12, 2007 Share #104 Posted October 12, 2007 Yes, 40 is a lot, so I'm wondering about the pixel size too. Sony was mentioned. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted October 12, 2007 Share #105 Posted October 12, 2007 40 MP, 16 bit, 80Mb files, just 12 images on a 1Gb card, maybe a few seconds shooting in continuous mode (Just over 1 if it was a Nikon D3). Just handling, loading, moving, storing, backing up thousands of files that size is going to be a pain. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rick_dykstra Posted October 12, 2007 Share #106 Posted October 12, 2007 40 MP, 16 bit, 80Mb files, just 12 images on a 1Gb card, maybe a few seconds shooting in continuous mode (Just over 1 if it was a Nikon D3). Just handling, loading, moving, storing, backing up thousands of files that size is going to be a pain. Don't worry - new technology in the form of optical data storage media will soon be available to solve these problems. The technology will be known as Formatted Information by Light Management, or FILM for short. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptomsu Posted October 12, 2007 Author Share #107 Posted October 12, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) 40 MP, 16 bit, 80Mb files, just 12 images on a 1Gb card, maybe a few seconds shooting in continuous mode (Just over 1 if it was a Nikon D3). Just handling, loading, moving, storing, backing up thousands of files that size is going to be a pain. I actually must agree, although I am really looking for more MP. But I am already using latest computing equipment, storage and SW and I have the feeling that I am already using the offered resources. So not too keen to need more resources although I would love more MP :-)) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruiespanhol Posted October 12, 2007 Share #108 Posted October 12, 2007 Hi Folks. These details passed on by a contact with good access: 24 x 36 mm sensor; 40 megapixels; autofocus; compatible with existing R lenses; announcement at photokina 2008. Ends. Sounds good to me. And at more then 10000EUR rigth:D Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamey Posted October 12, 2007 Share #109 Posted October 12, 2007 Hi Folks. These details passed on by a contact with good access: 24 x 36 mm sensor; 40 megapixels; autofocus; compatible with existing R lenses; announcement at photokina 2008. Ends. Sounds good to me. I was also told the same information. The price has gone up, to 20,000 + Aus Dollars. If thats going to be actual, Leica has lost the plot. I know one thing, I wont be buying one, not at the price. Yes I have several R lenses, but they are for film Cameras only. As long as my beloved slide film is still available I will stick with it. As for the R'idiculous 10 Pricing $$$$$$$$ Leica can keep it. Probably Leica's view is that Leica R users should adopt the PanaLeicas DSLR's Thats why they manufactored an "R" adapter for it. .........................Well Dear Leica.................................. I don't want to get my fingers burnt with part timers. So if I ever move to Digital, it will be either Canon on Nikon. I know with Canon, I will be able to use my R lenses. But I do like Nikon, it's a tough choice. Cheers. Ps.. Played with the Canon G9 the other day, simply gorgeous. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted October 13, 2007 Share #110 Posted October 13, 2007 Oh my … now people already get all wrought up about some silly rumour. 24 x 36 mm sensor, autofocus, compatible with existing R lenses, and announcement at photokina 2008, that’s all quite believable, even likely. But the bit about a 40 MP sensor and the price tag that goes along with it — that’s utter BS. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdai Posted October 13, 2007 Share #111 Posted October 13, 2007 But the bit about a 40 MP sensor and the price tag that goes along with it — that’s utter BS. Well, I've been holding myself back on this one, Michael ... in fact, 20 thousand dollars a camera plus 10 thousand dollars per lens may be a good idea, I'm sure many Leica aficionados will gladly trade in their extra cars, SUVs for a good looking camera system, then the R10 may win the Nobel peace prize for its real contribution to cut back energy consumption and slow down global warming. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamey Posted October 13, 2007 Share #112 Posted October 13, 2007 Well Michael, I can only hope it's B...S. Only the other day when my very good friend who sells Leica gear puts me into shock, Over that latest news concerning the R10, I am sure he is not pulling my leg, unless there Is some smart arse at Leica who is leaking this false information or B..S to the world. I have spent over $35.000 Aus on Leica equipment over the last 35 years, thats no chicken feed. What Leica should do, is simply tell it's loyal R customers like me of their intentions. Will there be an R10 in the near future, yes or no. At what price it's expected to sell for. Surely thats not to difficult to announce. All I hear .......IT'S GOING TO BE VERY EXPENSIVE..40 megs, auto focus with other goodies Why do you want 40 megs. It could be very well, that Leica could be trying to place their R system into a new Market arena like Hassleblad's, that explains the cost. A 35mm format Digital camera producing 40 megs is expensive, but still cheaper then Hassleblad. So what has Leica have in mind. With their extensive and cheaper R lens range, compared to the bulk and cost of MF lenses it makes you wonder.???????????? And what about their present R users, well there is the new D system. TIME WILL TELL. Ken. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted October 13, 2007 Share #113 Posted October 13, 2007 ...I was also told the same information. The price has gone up, to 20,000 + Aus Dollars... You mean USD 18,000 or EUR 15,000? Who would buy such a monster? I'd prefer donating to LUF members my recently acquired R lenses. Well when i say 'donating' i mean kindly selling them at the then market price of course... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptomsu Posted October 13, 2007 Author Share #114 Posted October 13, 2007 Hi Folks. These details passed on by a contact with good access: 24 x 36 mm sensor; 40 megapixels; autofocus; compatible with existing R lenses; announcement at photokina 2008. Ends. Sounds good to me. I was also told the same information. The price has gone up, to 20,000 + Aus Dollars. If thats going to be actual, Leica has lost the plot. I know one thing, I wont be buying one, not at the price. Yes I have several R lenses, but they are for film Cameras only. As long as my beloved slide film is still available I will stick with it. As for the R'idiculous 10 Pricing $$$$$$$$ Leica can keep it. Probably Leica's view is that Leica R users should adopt the PanaLeicas DSLR's Thats why they manufactored an "R" adapter for it. .........................Well Dear Leica.................................. I don't want to get my fingers burnt with part timers. So if I ever move to Digital, it will be either Canon on Nikon. I know with Canon, I will be able to use my R lenses. But I do like Nikon, it's a tough choice. Cheers. Ps.. Played with the Canon G9 the other day, simply gorgeous. Come on - you compare Canon G9 with the cameras discussed here? I hope you are aware of really mixing up everything! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
carstenw Posted October 13, 2007 Share #115 Posted October 13, 2007 The 40MP is not believable. While strictly speaking possible, I don't think that even Leica's lenses would hold up to such a sensor. 20MP is much more believable. I cannot imagine that Kodak and Leica could jump above medium format in resolution. It will take them a while to catch up with Canon, who is ahead of everyone in sensor design (if not in look). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptomsu Posted October 13, 2007 Author Share #116 Posted October 13, 2007 Oh my … now people already get all wrought up about some silly rumour. 24 x 36 mm sensor, autofocus, compatible with existing R lenses, and announcement at photokina 2008, that’s all quite believable, even likely. But the bit about a 40 MP sensor and the price tag that goes along with it — that’s utter BS. Interesting how rumors build up, also interesting how some folks really get angry aboutthis :-)) The main issue is - if there is no decent information from the real source (LEICA) then there will be rumors. So I enjoy these threads because they show what are the desires, hopes and also fears of the R community. Actually some very valuable input for Leica - and the best is, it is for free! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stumac Posted October 13, 2007 Share #117 Posted October 13, 2007 I am keeping my 10 R lenses in the hope the future R10 sells for less than A$ 10,000, in which case I will purchase one. If in the region of A$ 20,000 as suggested I will stick to my Digilux 2 and consider reconstructing my darkroom. Remember the S1, 30Mp, $ 30,000. Regards, Stuart. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hankg Posted October 13, 2007 Share #118 Posted October 13, 2007 40MP on a 24 x 36 sensor sounds outlandish. I would think the ideal for a 35mm is 16-18MP. But if Leica offered a 40MP camera below $20,000 it would be half the price of the medium format 40MP offerings. In addition when compared to MF systems the range of focal lengths in Leica's lens line up is impressive and by the standards of Hasselblad et al very price competitive. Maybe that's why they where interested in Sinar. I just don't see how they can cram so many pixels into a 24 x 36 sensor even if ISO was limited to 100 - 400 as is typical for MF backs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hankg Posted October 13, 2007 Share #119 Posted October 13, 2007 A few more points about the MF market. The price for Leica's primes are absurd in the 35mm market but $3,000 a pop is normal in the MF market. The bar for AF performance is lower for MF systems then it is for the 35mm systems used by sports shooters and PJ's. Leica's R ergonomics and electronics are more like MF cameras then the electronic wunder-gizmo's from CaNikon. For a company looking to maintain production of expensive high quality optics in Euroland the MF market might have some appeal. Leica certainly has the quality credentials and a Leica DSLR 40 MP full frame camera at Photokina would get huge press and attention. Leica has no chance with the R of competing with CaNikon in the pro sports/photojournalist market so where can they be competitive? The high-end studio shooter who thinks it's normal to drop 30 or 40 K on a camera, digital back and one lens - looking for the ultimate in image quality - not wanting to many electronic gizmos seems about right for Leica's expensive tiny production facilities and price is no object lens designs. Leica's range of wide angles would make any MF shooter drool. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruiespanhol Posted October 13, 2007 Share #120 Posted October 13, 2007 Well Michael, I can only hope it's B...S. Only the other day when my very good friend who sells Leica gear puts me into shock, Over that latest news concerning the R10, I am sure he is not pulling my leg, unless there Is some smart arse at Leica who is leaking this false information or B..S to the world. I have spent over $35.000 Aus on Leica equipment over the last 35 years, thats no chicken feed. What Leica should do, is simply tell it's loyal R customers like me of their intentions. Will there be an R10 in the near future, yes or no. At what price it's expected to sell for. Surely thats not to difficult to announce. All I hear .......IT'S GOING TO BE VERY EXPENSIVE..40 megs, auto focus with other goodies Why do you want 40 megs. It could be very well, that Leica could be trying to place their R system into a new Market arena like Hassleblad's, that explains the cost. A 35mm format Digital camera producing 40 megs is expensive, but still cheaper then Hassleblad. So what has Leica have in mind. With their extensive and cheaper R lens range, compared to the bulk and cost of MF lenses it makes you wonder.???????????? And what about their present R users, well there is the new D system. TIME WILL TELL. Ken. Many present R users switch to Canon or Nikon;) I thinking in switch wery soon and the choose is Canon 40D. Sorry Leica but I can´t stolen by Bank:D Best, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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