macpaladin Posted September 19, 2007 Share #41 Posted September 19, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) I have another reason for wanting backwards compatibility of the current R lenses. I currently have a R9/DMR with several lenses, and plan to keep it as a backup and eventually buy the R10. I want to be able to use my lenses on both cameras- having a set for the DMR and another set for the R10 is not a viable option. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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mgcd Posted September 19, 2007 Share #42 Posted September 19, 2007 I have another reason for wanting backwards compatibility of the current R lenses. I currently have a R9/DMR with several lenses, and plan to keep it as a backup and eventually buy the R10. I want to be able to use my lenses on both cameras- having a set for the DMR and another set for the R10 is not a viable option. Exactly! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
carstenw Posted September 19, 2007 Share #43 Posted September 19, 2007 First of all, Canon messed up when they switched to a new mount. Either using the same bayonet with new electronics or switching to a new bayonet with enough space for a proper FD adapter, would have saved their situation, and this is exactly what I expect Leica to do. They only saved the situation by out-pacing Nikon in R&D, something which was not helped by the mount-situation. I can't imagine anything which cannot be done with the existing bayonet. Canon's lens which needs the most space inside the bayonet (pretty much fills it, in fact) is the 85L and that lens existed in the FD lineup too. Nikon's lenses are at least as impressive as Canon's (except the lower number of VR lenses), and their mount is very similar in size to Leica's. I expect that Leica will change something in the mount, but not the shape or register distance, and the old lenses will certainly work with focus confirmation. Beyond that anything is possible, but Leica has always played the upgrade path carefully, and now that the future is finally looking bright again is not the time that they will throw a monkeywrench in the works. The very most daring they would do would be a thinner body with a wider mount, but an electronically functional adapter ring capable of making the existing R lenses function as native lenses, similar to the Digilux 3. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptomsu Posted September 19, 2007 Author Share #44 Posted September 19, 2007 where is a Digilux 3 adapter for R glass somehow electronically transferring signals between lens and body? This is a pure mechanical piece. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted September 20, 2007 Share #45 Posted September 20, 2007 It seems that most are more concerned about their own investment and want Leica to operate on their individual terms. Wouldn't it be better to get a thousand new customers and lose a hundred.................................. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riley Posted September 20, 2007 Share #46 Posted September 20, 2007 where is a Digilux 3 adapter for R glass somehow electronically transferring signals between lens and body? This is a pure mechanical piece. and that is why 4/3rds have ROM lenses Steves Digicams - Olympus EVOLT E-510 Digital SLR - User Review Digital Specific "Smart" Lenses Olympus Zuiko Digital Lenses are designed so light strikes the camera's image sensor directly' date=' ensuring rich, accurate colors, sharp contrasts and bright images, even at the edges. Zuiko Digital Lenses are smart, that is they "talk" with the camera about their specific optical designs and imaging information. Lenses, particularly zoom lenses, cause some distortion. However Zuiko Digital Lenses store data in the header portion of the digital file allowing for software-assisted correction of anomalies including pin cushion and barrel distortion. Shoot wide-open or stopped all the way down and achieve superior results over 35mm film-based lenses. Zuiko Digital Specific Lenses are about three times the resolution of ordinary film based lenses. Internet-Upgradeable Firmware The Smart Lens Design allows users to shoot with the most current firmware versions of each particular E-SLR System component. Update the camera system using: * Internet-Enabled Computer * Camera Connected via USB * Olympus Software; one Button Update The firmware information is collected for the lens, flash, and body and updated accordingly. [/quote'] Leica have no choice but to move into the digital age with the dSLR, for it is a very different proposition to the M8, as it has to compete with some very sophisticated cameras in the field. This means at the very least AF, for which they will need to source components from a third string supplier. My best guess is Panasonics 11 point AF system. This also means a minimum of 3 R lenses with AF motors, and remember lenses are slow to design (done the Leica way) and earn less at around 8% margin. Make no mistake, the R10 will by considerably more of a challenge for Leica than M8 was, but they have some hard won practise under their belts from not so recent events. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptomsu Posted September 20, 2007 Author Share #47 Posted September 20, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) It seems that most are more concerned about their own investment and want Leica to operate on their individual terms. Wouldn't it be better to get a thousand new customers and lose a hundred.................................. You are exactly right, this is what I think as well (even while I am still owning tons of R glass). Better change completely and get successful than try to satisfy those who will ownly buy marginally. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptomsu Posted September 20, 2007 Author Share #48 Posted September 20, 2007 and that is why 4/3rds have ROM lenses Steves Digicams - Olympus EVOLT E-510 Digital SLR - User Review Leica have no choice but to move into the digital age with the dSLR, for it is a very different proposition to the M8, as it has to compete with some very sophisticated cameras in the field. This means at the very least AF, for which they will need to source components from a third string supplier. My best guess is Panasonics 11 point AF system. This also means a minimum of 3 R lenses with AF motors, and remember lenses are slow to design (done the Leica way) and earn less at around 8% margin. Make no mistake, the R10 will by considerably more of a challenge for Leica than M8 was, but they have some hard won practise under their belts from not so recent events. Agree, but I would hope to see a much more advanced AF system thanthe Panasonic one. Maybe they could license the new D3/D300 AF system from Nikon together with some know how on how to build fast efficien silent wave motors for lenses. I think the right combination of available technologies and the right balance what shall be developed in house or better bought from a (new) partner is exactly what will make this project a big success or just another me too product or a failure bin like the M8 was (still is in terms of firmware and some solutions). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riley Posted September 20, 2007 Share #49 Posted September 20, 2007 Olympus would be using the same AF motors as Canon in their next pro lenses, the 12-60/2.8-4 and the 50-200/2.8-3.5, reputed to be very fast focussing, indeed prior to the arrival of 40D and D3/D300 they were claiming worlds fastest AF, and this would include the 11 point AF. So access to this equipment is logical through the 4/3rds relationship. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted September 20, 2007 Share #50 Posted September 20, 2007 There is a heap of people out there, no glass want a DSLR and with money to spend,remember that 12 year old scruffy kid down the road well he is 27 now, making six figures and wants a camera .............. this repeats itself throughout the world.Others are older buggers like me, sold all their SLR glass looking for something digitally new not shackled by the past,,,got the rangefinders to do that It is quite obvious that we are talking about existing technology here ............ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angora Posted September 20, 2007 Share #51 Posted September 20, 2007 It seems that most are more concerned about their own investment and want Leica to operate on their individual terms. Wouldn't it be better to get a thousand new customers and lose a hundred.................................. And how about keeping both customers? By just ensuring backward compatibility. New customers want AF lenses with the R10? Great, let's make some. Current users want MF lenses with the R10? Well, let's keep the same mount or provide a fully workable adapter with the new DSLR. I guess it's not a big issue to deal with for Leica's engineers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EH21 Posted September 20, 2007 Share #52 Posted September 20, 2007 There is a heap of people out there, no glass want a DSLR and with money to spend,remember that 12 year old scruffy kid down the road well he is 27 now, making six figures and wants a camera .............. this repeats itself throughout the world.Others are older buggers like me, sold all their SLR glass looking for something digitally new not shackled by the past,,,got the rangefinders to do that It is quite obvious that we are talking about existing technology here ............ You're mostly right but Scruffy down the street is never going to shoot stills. He is only going to be interested in video. The cameras of the future are all going to be video. It's already happening. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted September 20, 2007 Share #53 Posted September 20, 2007 Scruffy is still shooting stills, the itch in Scruffy's pants will shoot moving stuff,,,,,,,,,,,,,, , Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bono0272 Posted September 22, 2007 Share #54 Posted September 22, 2007 Backward compatibility is a must. But with both MF and AF lenses working on a new DSLR body is not that difficult, remeber Nikon has the MF lenses worked on the AF bodies (e.g. a MF lens on a FM2 can be put on a F801 body without problem). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
squarenegs Posted September 29, 2007 Share #55 Posted September 29, 2007 In regard to the issue of a digital R and backward compatability, please remember Pentax. My first DSLR was an *ist D and I now have a K10D The BIG reason, almost the only reason, for buying the D was my shelf full of old K mount and M42 glass. It all works just fine (MF and stop-down) on the DSLR bodies. It was a very smart move by Pentax that I'm sure has not been lost on the Leica brain-trust. They will be no more likely than Pentax to kiss off most of their existing customers by using a new lens mount on a future DSLR. My best to all on the Forum Sam Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
carstenw Posted September 29, 2007 Share #56 Posted September 29, 2007 I think that of all the camera manufacturers, only Canon holds their customers in low enough regard that they would switch entirely, in an incompatible way (except for the crappy optical adapter mounts they made). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rallef Posted October 1, 2007 Share #57 Posted October 1, 2007 And how about keeping both customers? By just ensuring backward compatibility. New customers want AF lenses with the R10? Great, let's make some. Current users want MF lenses with the R10? Well, let's keep the same mount or provide a fully workable adapter with the new DSLR. I guess it's not a big issue to deal with for Leica's engineers. Yes, my wish would be a "hybrid" R10 with an interchangeable lens mount. One which fits the current one with full functionality and format and a new one- maybe even in a bigger format- to rock the AF party. A few new lenses then... And they lived happily ever after. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicamr Posted October 1, 2007 Share #58 Posted October 1, 2007 I wonder why people think that the R mount is out of date. If it is possible to fit an R lens on the latest and greatest Canon EOS thingy, I am sure that the R10 will continue the use of the current R mount. What other camera manufacture can / will fit ROM's to old SLR lens and coded bayonet mounts to rangefinder lenses? The fact that the DMR is Leica's first professional digital SLR and produces unbeatable image files (as stated by numerous users in this forum) says a lot. I am sure that the R10 will be something special. I have no intention of selling any of my R lenses. This past weekend I even added a 280 f4 APO to my collection, what a lens! If I do buy an R10, the DMR will remain as part of my kit, whether another firmware update is ever released or not. Long may the R mount continue. Mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rubidium Posted October 1, 2007 Share #59 Posted October 1, 2007 I wonder why people think that the R mount is out of date. If it is possible to fit an R lens on the latest and greatest Canon EOS thingy, I am sure that the R10 will continue the use of the current R mount. What other camera manufacture can / will fit ROM's to old SLR lens and coded bayonet mounts to rangefinder lenses? The fact that the DMR is Leica's first professional digital SLR and produces unbeatable image files (as stated by numerous users in this forum) says a lot. I am sure that the R10 will be something special. I have no intention of selling any of my R lenses. This past weekend I even added a 280 f4 APO to my collection, what a lens! If I do buy an R10, the DMR will remain as part of my kit, whether another firmware update is ever released or not. Long may the R mount continue. Mark I concur fully here. Although I would like to see Leica continue to evolve the R system, the DMR and the current line of Leica glass is capable of producing fantastic images, and I have no incentive to part with any of it. Like Mark, I too just fell to the siren song of another piece of that impressive glass - in my case, the 180 f2 Apo Summicron. Jim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravnishgandhi.com Posted October 2, 2007 Share #60 Posted October 2, 2007 was at my local leica dealer in melbourne today and a very good source says that a r10 with a 40 megapixel sensor taking all existing r lenses will be out next photokina.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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