New Leica M6 Film Camera

[BradS]

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7 minutes ago, Huss said:

But they CAN honor outstanding women.  Female pioneers.  They choose not to.  It’s not like they’ve run out of female candidates and then had to resort to B list musicians.  They haven’t picked a single woman, ever.

but they DID honor at least some women with actual honors (aka awards or whatever).

 

I suspect that they simply cannot unilaterally, without the person's permission,  use the name of a dead person (regardless of the person's sex/gender or achievements) to market their goods....and if they did, it would be reprehensible.

[Huss]

23 minutes ago, BradS said:

but they DID honor at least some women with actual honors (aka awards or whatever).

 

I suspect that they simply cannot unilaterally, without the person's permission,  use the name of a dead person (regardless of the person's sex/gender or achievements) to market their goods....and if they did, it would be reprehensible.

For the deceased, Leica could reach out to their estates, indicate that a portion would be given to charity of choice etc.

For the living, they could reach out and come up with whatever arrangement has been deemed acceptable by the recipient.

Leica has had no problem with doing this for the men involved.

[BradS]

11 minutes ago, Huss said:

For the deceased, Leica could reach out to their estates, indicate that a portion would be given to charity of choice etc.

For the living, they could reach out and come up with whatever arrangement has been deemed acceptable by the recipient.

Leica has had no problem with doing this for the men involved.

Indeed....and maybe they have reached out and maybe they have not found a woman who's agreed to sell her identity to further the brand marketing campaign.

Maybe women, when given a choice, are reluctant to enter into business arrangements that amounts to mutual exploitation.

 

 

EDIT: or maybe, Leica Marketing people have the good sense to not go there....think pimp and whore.

Edited October 13, 2022 by BradS

[1joel1]

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[1joel1]

10 hours ago, romualdo said:

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Colin Chapman's philosophy for Lotus was:

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[Huss]

11 minutes ago, BradS said:

Indeed....and maybe they have reached out and maybe they have not found a woman who's agreed to sell her identity to further the brand marketing campaign.

Maybe women, when given a choice, are reluctant to enter into business arrangements that amounts to mutual exploitation.

EDIT: or maybe, Leica Marketing people have the good sense to not go there....think pimp and whore.

Or the very obvious answer. Leica hasn’t bothered.  
The idea that you think that honoring a woman with a limited edition camera would be viewed as a “pimp and whore” relationship is very offensive.  If a man gets into a marketing relationship with Leica, that is ok,  but if a woman then it makes her a whore?  Really?

Edited October 13, 2022 by Huss

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[BradS]

37 minutes ago, Huss said:

Or the very obvious answer. Leica hasn’t bothered.  
The idea that you think that honoring a woman with a limited edition camera would be viewed as a “pimp and whore” relationship is very offensive.  If a man gets into a marketing relationship with Leica, that is ok,  but if a woman then it makes her a whore?  Really?

You're still stuck on the idea that it is some how an honor. It is not. It is business. There is no honor in it.  In fact, it seems to me to be a very one sided business arrangement - Leica got a lot more out of the deal with Lenny Kravitz, for example,  than Lenny did. What did Lenny get?  Money? Ego stroke? Publicity?  Certainly, Leica got something more...much more.

Why men, and apparently only men, have entered into the subject business arrangement is a mystery.  Maybe you're right, maybe Leica Marketing hasn't asked a woman...who knows?  Not I.   I'm just trying to help you see this from a different, perhaps healthier,  perspective. To wit - I kinda doubt that Leica Marketing are quite the chauvinistic, misogynistic, neanderthal cave men you're trying to make them out to be...and I guess that's my main point.  Try looking at the thing from different points of view. Don't insist that you are The One and the only one with The Truth....it's generally not healthy.  Your anger is your own poison.

Edited October 13, 2022 by BradS

[BradS]

26 minutes ago, Huss said:

...
The idea that you think that honoring a woman with a limited edition camera would be viewed as a “pimp and whore” relationship is very offensive.  If a man gets into a marketing relationship with Leica, that is ok,  but if a woman then it makes her a whore?  Really?

...and NO. That is not at all what I am saying.

However, I can imagine a woman thinking of the business relationship that way....and obviously, rejecting it for that reason.

Again, trying to see the thing from different points of view...that's all.

[Anbaric]

I remember when 'pimping your Leica' used to mean putting a shiny soft release and a tapestry strap on it.

[Kwesi]

1 hour ago, BradS said:

I'm just trying to help you see this from a different, perhaps healthier,  perspective. To wit - I kinda doubt that Leica Marketing are quite the chauvinistic, misogynistic, neanderthal cave men you're trying to make them out to be...and I guess that's my main point.  Try looking at the thing from different points of view.

This can also be construed as making excuses for Leica.

 

It's quite possible that Leica isn't even aware of the oversight.

[BradS]

41 minutes ago, Kwesi said:

 

It's quite possible that Leica isn't even aware of the oversight.

you’re assuming it is an oversight but, yeah….

There are quite a few possible reasons why, apparently, only men have engaged in the subject business transaction.  My point is very simply that none of us knows the reason or reasons. Not me. Not you. Not Huss. None of us.  And therefore, blindly insisting that Leica is the antagonist to one’s socio-political ideology is…uh, ugly and ‘not good’. 

Edited October 13, 2022 by BradS

[105012]

5 hours ago, pippy said:

…

I'm trying to think of any world-famous non-male photographer who was / is known, predominantly, for using Leica rangefinder cameras. Inge Morath certainly used M3 / M4 / M6 cameras quite often. Leni Riefenstahl used various 'Barnacks' as well as M2 / M3 cameras but the majority of female photographers whose names spring to my mind either used, in the main, 35mm SLRs; a Rolleiflex; a Hasselblad or something larger-format.

Philip.

Just wanted to mention Mary Ellen Mark.

[pippy]

1 hour ago, 105012 said:

Just wanted to mention Mary Ellen Mark.

Why?

Was she known for using a Leica as her primary choice of camera? From what I can gather she used whatever kit - from 35mm to large format - seemed appropriate at the time which is fair do's and I am all for that approach; she was a professional photographer so, rightly, used the correct tool for the job at hand. Perhaps I'm misinformed?

I'm not interested - here - in celebrating the extraordinary number of female photographers who have been instrumental in helping to shape the 'History of Photography' dating back to  the Victorian era; rather I'm interested to discover those female photographers who have had such a close connection with Leica cameras that their names are similarly as synonymous with the brand as are HCB et al.

Philip.

[105012]

2 minutes ago, pippy said:

Why?

Was she known for using a Leica as her primary choice of camera? From what I can gather she used whatever kit - from 35mm to large format - seemed appropriate at the time which is fair do's and I am all for that approach; she was a professional photographer so, rightly, used the correct tool for the job at hand. Perhaps I'm misinformed?

I'm not interested - here - in celebrating the extraordinary number of female photographers who have been instrumental in helping to shape the 'History of Photography' dating back to  the Victorian era; rather I'm interested to discover those female photographers who have had such a close connection with Leica cameras that their names are similarly as synonymous with the brand as are HCB et al.

Philip.

It's true that Mary Ellen Mark used a variety of brands of camera, though Leica M's where a regular choice for her. That's all.

[105012]

"I tried the Leica and I loved it immediately. That summer I went to Europe and photographed and I took a Leica with me. The Leica was my first street camera.  I’ve worked with Leica for years and years and years. I know it really well. It is still a great camera. I still work with it today."

https://leica-camera.blog/2013/12/03/mary-ellen-mark-nothing-more-extraordinary-than-reality/

[graphlex]

9 minutes ago, pippy said:

Was she known for using a Leica as her primary choice of camera? From what I can gather she used whatever kit - from 35mm to large format - seemed appropriate at the time

She included M cameras in her armory. She liked 24mm Elmarit-M in particular. 

[pippy]

33 minutes ago, 105012 said:

"I tried the Leica and I loved it immediately. That summer I went to Europe and photographed and I took a Leica with me. The Leica was my first street camera.  I’ve worked with Leica for years and years and years. I know it really well. It is still a great camera. I still work with it today."

https://leica-camera.blog/2013/12/03/mary-ellen-mark-nothing-more-extraordinary-than-reality/

 

26 minutes ago, graphlex said:

She included M cameras in her armory. She liked 24mm Elmarit-M in particular. 

Thank you both, 105012 and graphlex, for your posts.

EDIT : Anyhow! Back on topic!....

A new M6. OK. Why not? Leica had got pretty much everything important sorted-out by that stage. Lets be honest; the MA nd MP were retrograde steps....

Discuss!!!

Philip.

Edited October 13, 2022 by pippy

[Huss]

5 hours ago, BradS said:

You're still stuck on the idea that it is some how an honor. It is not. It is business. There is no honor in it.  In fact, it seems to me to be a very one sided business arrangement - Leica got a lot more out of the deal with Lenny Kravitz, for example,  than Lenny did. What did Lenny get?  Money? Ego stroke? Publicity?  Certainly, Leica got something more...much more.

Why men, and apparently only men, have entered into the subject business arrangement is a mystery.  Maybe you're right, maybe Leica Marketing hasn't asked a woman...who knows?  Not I.   I'm just trying to help you see this from a different, perhaps healthier,  perspective. To wit - I kinda doubt that Leica Marketing are quite the chauvinistic, misogynistic, neanderthal cave men you're trying to make them out to be...and I guess that's my main point.  Try looking at the thing from different points of view. Don't insist that you are The One and the only one with The Truth....it's generally not healthy.  Your anger is your own poison.

Not at all angry here Brad   You don’ think it is also an honor getting an edition after you?  You don’t think that Lenny or Seal or whoever are thinking ‘this is pretty cool’?  Of course they are, and why not?

Just kinda taken aback when I realized that Leica has not once released a limited edition camera in connection with a woman.

That is eye opening, at least to me.  And these are limited edition items, not production runs.  They even released an all white ltd ed M for a snowboarder! Male of course.  But women? Nope.

Edited October 13, 2022 by Huss

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[Huss]

25 minutes ago, pippy said:

 

Thank you both, 105012 and graphlex, for your posts.

EDIT : Anyhow! Back on topic!....

A new M6. OK. Why not? Leica had got pretty much everything important sorted-out by that stage. Lets be honest; the MA nd MP were retrograde steps....

Discuss!!!

Philip.

Yes, a limited edition new Mary Ellen Mark M6 would be awesome.

It even is right there in the name!  MEM 6!