Michael Geschlecht Posted October 24, 2022 Share #1401 Posted October 24, 2022 Advertisement (gone after registration) 14 hours ago, verwackelt said: Finally, it's the same hardware for decades. It's disappointing that at least one new shutter with a short exposure time of 1/4000 seconds wasn't installed. Leica is known for its high-speed lenses. But with the current hardware, the photographic possibilities do not change at all… Hello verwackelt, Going back to the single stroke wind shutter in 1958, Leitz/Leica "M" single stroke shutters have been big, over built, over sprung, slow moving shutters. Shutters that last pretty much forever & seem to be pretty much always repairable. Having a shutter that works or is fixable 64 years after someone bought it seems like a good thing to me. Best Regards, Michael 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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hdmesa Posted October 24, 2022 Share #1402 Posted October 24, 2022 Just now, Huss said: All the reviews from people who were at the launch say .72 It's because the new M6 is 0.01% better than the MP, hence the new 0.73 rangefinder 😆 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huss Posted October 24, 2022 Share #1403 Posted October 24, 2022 So….. any idea when customers will get them in their sticky little hands? Anyone have an ETA? All I got is a “we’ll let you know” Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huss Posted October 24, 2022 Share #1404 Posted October 24, 2022 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Michael Geschlecht said: Hello verwackelt, Going back to the single stroke wind shutter in 1958, Leitz/Leica "M" single stroke shutters have been big, over built, over sprung, slow moving shutters. Shutters that last pretty much forever & seem to be pretty much always repairable. Having a shutter that works or is fixable 64 years after someone bought it seems like a good thing to me. Best Regards, Michael Just don’t point it at the sun! The shutter in my Nikon F2 goes to 1/2000, is over built, and is made of titanium cloth so less likehood of sun damage. I think Starkie in the UK can retrofit Leica Ms with the titanium cloth material. Edited October 24, 2022 by Huss 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lekitr Posted October 24, 2022 Share #1405 Posted October 24, 2022 25 minutes ago, Huss said: Not true. Return to brass gears vs steel etc. and new shutter geometry, better curtain cloth, condenser in the rangefinder and so on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hdmesa Posted October 24, 2022 Share #1406 Posted October 24, 2022 1 minute ago, Huss said: Just don’t point it at the sun! Gives new meaning to kids saying that camera is "fire". 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
derleicaman Posted October 24, 2022 Share #1407 Posted October 24, 2022 Advertisement (gone after registration) On 10/20/2022 at 2:09 PM, Matlock said: Whilst I agree with your general points I have to say (2) is very much over egged. I know that it does occur (rarely) but I have NEVER seen any example, other than photos on this forum. Leica made quite a point of the introduction of the zinc top plate for very good reasons at the time and the occurrences were few and far between on one or two early batches. Well, I have handled many M6 where the zinc top plate has bubbled. It is pretty nasty looking when it happened. This is oxidization of the cast zinc. ”Good reasons” for going to the zinc top plate? The main reason was the dies and tooling for the old “deep drawn” brass top plates was worn out, and it was too expensive to update. Bear in mind that Walter Kluck, I charge of Leitz Canada had single handedly saved the M with the M4-2 and M4-P, which initially had brass top plates. Later they switched these to the cast zinc at the end of their runs. Also, zinc is much cheaper than brass. When I specced black paint on brass for the LHSA M6 Black Paint camera, Leica used a CNC milled top cover from a solid brass billett. Much stronger and resistant to dents than the original deep drawn brass top plates. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Geschlecht Posted October 24, 2022 Share #1408 Posted October 24, 2022 (edited) 14 hours ago, jukka said: Here, here! I’ve been wondering the same; what exactly is the point of this discussion? The MP is still “mechanical perfection”, maybe just not the most perfect, but who cares. There was always going to be a newer/better/younger model. That is how life works. These are tools for photography, not luxury watches and items of status and achievement, no? Hello jukka, Welcome to the Forum. Leitz/Leica are a curious combination of being both "tools" & "items of status and achievement" at some times. And, at other times, being 1 category, or perhaps, the other. Best Regards, Michael Edited October 24, 2022 by Michael Geschlecht 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hdmesa Posted October 24, 2022 Share #1409 Posted October 24, 2022 3 minutes ago, derleicaman said: ...When I specced black paint on brass for the LHSA M6 Black Paint camera... Let's keep this party going over the next few years... New M6 Black Paint New M6 Reporter New M6 Titanium 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crem Posted October 24, 2022 Share #1410 Posted October 24, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, grahamc said: I haven’t been able to keep up with all the comments and quotes here eg from Leica or reviewers I’m afraid, but this would be my guess also. Small changes eg plate screws are about progress and I assume many have taken place in the life cycle of other camera production life. MP also changed the leatherette at some point didn’t it, and ok I’m unsure if that was announced (I doubt it was). The light meter compatibility question of new M6 to old M6 is interesting but considering MP light meter isn’t considered compatible to old M6 then I think m6-2 to M6 classic compatibility would also be wishful thinking Regarding the strip down, I think that’s just a bit of fun and it would be interesting to see if the M6 is an MP for no other good reason other than curiosity. I’m certainly not particularly worried about longevity of servicing and happily own a couple of TTLs which according to some sections of the internet will turn into a bricks any moment. For the sake of manufacturing ease, we surely have to expect m6-2 and MP to be the same. Unless I missed very good reason otherwise. Sorry if I did. If small changes have been made for any reason then my guess would be for them now to be consistent across both cameras moving forward, as well as backward compatible to older MP (eg a change in plate or some substitute parts). But again not older m6, of course. Overall I think the “all new parts” may be some marketing department speak for all new parts to the M6 line. ie different from the M6 classic because they are in fact mp ! Is that not an “all new” M6 and sounds much better in a product release hype than “here’s our existing camera re-badged”. I don’t really have anything more to add but am on board for the strip down for curiosity’s sake - so I’m raising my $11 to $50 😁 You just had to raise. That means I have to match you or I’m that cheap guy in a Leica forum. I will match your $50. We have to stop here though. I need to save up for the new steel rim to attach to my MP. I’m going to remove the battery so I can get used to having an unrepairable light meter while we wait for the remaining $400 in donations. 😂 Edited October 24, 2022 by Crem 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Geschlecht Posted October 24, 2022 Share #1411 Posted October 24, 2022 27 minutes ago, Huss said: Just don’t point it at the sun! The shutter in my Nikon F2 goes to 1/2000, is over built, and is made of titanium cloth so less likehood of sun damage. I think Starkie in the UK can retrofit Leica Ms with the titanium cloth material. Hello Huss, Both materials are fine. I have 1 pin hole from the Sun from 1965. Leitz repaired it with some sort of "goppish" material which is cosmetically challenged. The repaired shutter curtains (Still cosmetically challenged.) are working fine today. Best Regards, Michael Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
logan2z Posted October 24, 2022 Share #1412 Posted October 24, 2022 18 minutes ago, hdmesa said: Let's keep this party going over the next few years... New M6 Black Paint New M6 Reporter New M6 Titanium Leica's head of Global Marketing has said that there will be no variations of the M6. The variations are the M-A and MP. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hdmesa Posted October 24, 2022 Share #1413 Posted October 24, 2022 30 minutes ago, logan2z said: Leica's head of Global Marketing has said that there will be no variations of the M6. The variations are the M-A and MP. Screw that guy. We're getting ourselves some special editions, dammit. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huss Posted October 24, 2022 Share #1414 Posted October 24, 2022 1 hour ago, hdmesa said: Let's keep this party going over the next few years... New M6 Black Paint New M6 Reporter New M6 Titanium New M6 Classic Zinc. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamc Posted October 24, 2022 Share #1415 Posted October 24, 2022 1 hour ago, Huss said: All the reviews from people who were at the launch say .72 It caught my eye from the product spec sheet on Leica’s website so may be worth checking whether that’s still the case or a typo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huss Posted October 24, 2022 Share #1416 Posted October 24, 2022 26 minutes ago, hdmesa said: Screw that guy. We're getting ourselves some special editions, dammit. I’m looking forward to the M6-A, so we can complain that all they did was cover up the battery chamber. And not very well because we can still see it. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamc Posted October 24, 2022 Share #1417 Posted October 24, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Crem said: You just had to raise. That means I have to match you or I’m that cheap guy in a Leica forum. I will match your $50. We have to stop here though. I need to save up for the new steel rim to attach to my MP. I’m going to remove the battery so I can get used to having an unrepairable light meter while we wait for the remaining $400 in donations. 😂 When the results come back let’s put them behind a payment wall. Surely people will pay us $99.99 to find out if their upcoming $5,000 is about to brick ? (joking about all of this one , but not about the $50 contribution purely for sake of curiosity) Edited October 24, 2022 by grahamc 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huss Posted October 24, 2022 Share #1418 Posted October 24, 2022 74 pages. Can we make it to 100 before anyone actually gets their M6? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crem Posted October 24, 2022 Share #1419 Posted October 24, 2022 26 minutes ago, grahamc said: When the results come back let’s put them behind a payment wall. Surely people will pay us $99.99 to find out if their upcoming $5,000 is about to brick ? (joking about all of this one , but not about the $50 contribution purely for sake of curiosity) Brilliant! You have figured out how to monetize this thread. I’ll build us the paywall site though I think @Huss deserves the biggest cut of the profits. I too am serious about the $50! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crem Posted October 24, 2022 Share #1420 Posted October 24, 2022 (edited) 34 minutes ago, Huss said: 74 pages. Can we make it to 100 before anyone actually gets their M6? Which ships first? The M6 or the Steel Rim? Definitely need to push this thread to over 100. Edited October 24, 2022 by Crem Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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