HAL11000 Posted July 11, 2022 Share #1 Posted July 11, 2022 Advertisement (gone after registration) If someone is offering the above mentioned lens, it will be a fraud, because it was stolen in 2022. Beware - thanks - Michael Weick 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted July 11, 2022 Posted July 11, 2022 Hi HAL11000, Take a look here LOST a M- SUMMILUX 75, 1.4, E-60, second Version, Made in Canada, SN: 345 82 17, coded. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
jaeger Posted July 11, 2022 Share #2 Posted July 11, 2022 where did you lose it and how? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAL11000 Posted July 11, 2022 Author Share #3 Posted July 11, 2022 I think it must have happened in France whilst skiing in Trois Vallees in March 2022. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wda Posted July 11, 2022 Share #4 Posted July 11, 2022 Report it to Leica Germany. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAL11000 Posted July 11, 2022 Author Share #5 Posted July 11, 2022 Thx - I just did that! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaeger Posted July 12, 2022 Share #6 Posted July 12, 2022 10 hours ago, HAL11000 said: I think it must have happened in France whilst skiing in Trois Vallees in March 2022. It's July now... did you just find out? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaeger Posted July 12, 2022 Share #7 Posted July 12, 2022 Advertisement (gone after registration) 10 hours ago, wda said: Report it to Leica Germany. what action would leica take? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
overexposed Posted July 12, 2022 Share #8 Posted July 12, 2022 33 minutes ago, jaeger said: what action would leica take? well you can register your equipment on their website, if someone tries to register a stolen lens maybe an alert pops up Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecar Posted July 12, 2022 Share #9 Posted July 12, 2022 Lost or stolen? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMF Posted July 12, 2022 Share #10 Posted July 12, 2022 1 hour ago, overexposed said: well you can register your equipment on their website, if someone tries to register a stolen lens maybe an alert pops up They only alert is that it tells you that the item is already registered. It’s happened when I’ve bought a pre-owned item that was already registered by a previous owner. The registered owner can “unregister” an item which then frees it open for someone else to register it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
overexposed Posted July 12, 2022 Share #11 Posted July 12, 2022 8 minutes ago, RMF said: They only alert is that it tells you that the item is already registered. It’s happened when I’ve bought a pre-owned item that was already registered by a previous owner. The registered owner can “unregister” an item which then frees it open for someone else to register it. happened to me too, what i mean is, maybe LEICA GETS AN SILENT ALERT, to let them know someone tries to register a stolen lens and further actions can be taken from there Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wda Posted July 12, 2022 Share #12 Posted July 12, 2022 3 hours ago, jaeger said: what action would leica take? It joined a register of lost or stolen equipment. I am not sure of the current state of the register. Historically it has helped in the past, prove previous ownership. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAL11000 Posted July 12, 2022 Author Share #13 Posted July 12, 2022 vor 7 Stunden schrieb jaeger: It's July now... did you just find out? Looking for it for months. Just desperation makes me hope that it might turn up as an offer for a used lens somewhere. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAL11000 Posted July 12, 2022 Author Share #14 Posted July 12, 2022 vor 3 Stunden schrieb wda: It joined a register of lost or stolen equipment. I am not sure of the current state of the register. Historically it has helped in the past, prove previous ownership. ou need vor 3 Stunden schrieb wda: It joined a register of lost or stolen equipment. I am not sure of the current state of the register. Historically it has helped in the past, prove previous ownership. vor 3 Stunden schrieb wda: It joined a register of lost or stolen equipment. I am not sure of the current state of the register. Historically it has helped in the past, prove previous ownership. Leica told me that they need a note from the police. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pippy Posted July 12, 2022 Share #15 Posted July 12, 2022 18 hours ago, HAL11000 said: I think it must have happened in France whilst skiing in Trois Vallees in March 2022... ...Leica told me that they need a note from the police... First-off if you were staying in an hotel / hotels during your ski trip have you contacted them to ask whether anything was handed-in? I'm sorry to read about your missing lens but, unfortunately, the fact is that you have absolutely no proof whatsoever that it was stolen; all you know is that you can't find it which is a very different matter. Consider the situation from the point of view of the authorities. What do you expect the police might be able to do with nothing more concrete to go on than 'I can't find my lens. It might have been stolen in March'? If they were to put it to you that it might have fallen out of your bag or, perhaps, that you might have left it somewhere could you prove to them that such is not the case? If your lens does appear on the s/h market how can you prove that it really is yours? Merely having the serial number of a lens isn't enough to prove ownership. If, say, it appears in a s/h camera dealership what could you do? Unless you can prove that it was stolen from you - which is where a police incident / report case number might be useful - you have no grounds to demand the return of the lens. Sorry if this all sounds brutal but, unfortunately, I've been through the whole process myself and it was far from being as straightforward as I would have imagined. Good luck! P. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted July 12, 2022 Share #16 Posted July 12, 2022 This is what insurance is for, but even an insurance company might push back on a claim made 4 months after a loss. I am sure we are all sympathetic for your loss, but leaving it so long is not going to help. Without a police report Leica can't do anything. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danner Posted July 12, 2022 Share #17 Posted July 12, 2022 Brings a few thoughts to mind, ... Sellers who obscure Leica gear serial numbers in for-sale ads appear untrustworthy. It the lens was lost, then innocently found, is it to remain out of circulation indefinitely? What about subsequent bona fide purchasers that are unaware of loss/threft history? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted July 12, 2022 Share #18 Posted July 12, 2022 If you found a lens, in the street, for example, what would you do with it? I would take it to the nearest police station and ask their advice. In some countries, IIRC, if property handed to the police is not claimed by a rightful owner within a certain period, the item then lawfully belongs to the finder. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAL11000 Posted July 12, 2022 Author Share #19 Posted July 12, 2022 All true. I would hand it over as well. As you would like others will do the same. I bought the lens on Ebay more than 20 years ago. I had it coded in the Netherlands. There are many witnesses for proof of ownership but no written contract. I can't proof that it was stolen. So there you are. Write it off maybe others are warned when buying second hand with no serial number displayed. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pippy Posted July 12, 2022 Share #20 Posted July 12, 2022 19 minutes ago, andybarton said: ...I would take it to the nearest police station and ask their advice. In some countries, IIRC, if property handed to the police is not claimed by a rightful owner within a certain period, the item then lawfully belongs to the finder. In the UK the time-period is six weeks unless circumstances are suspicious; "The usual police practice is that the finder can have the goods back and keep them if they are not claimed within six weeks. However, the police may want more time if there are special circumstances and they want to investigate. Once the property has been returned to the finder by the police, the original owner cannot usually then claim the goods." Philip. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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