Jeff S Posted June 1, 2022 Share #21 Posted June 1, 2022 Advertisement (gone after registration) 52 minutes ago, Stuart Richardson said: I agree. But I also don't believe that you will have to wait 5 years if you ask at other stores and keep actively looking. I’m not interested in this lens, but agree with your point. In other circumstances when major dealers had wait lists exceeding a year, I was able to find an item in a matter of days with calls to less popular, typically smaller, dealers. This has also created some new and useful relationships. Recently, the Leica online store offers an additional source if one is willing to pay regular attention. Jeff 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Crem Posted June 1, 2022 Share #22 Posted June 1, 2022 4 hours ago, Jeff S said: I’m not interested in this lens, but agree with your point. In other circumstances when major dealers had wait lists exceeding a year, I was able to find an item in a matter of days with calls to less popular, typically smaller, dealers. This has also created some new and useful relationships. Recently, the Leica online store offers an additional source if one is willing to pay regular attention. Jeff I'm curious if there is a list of all the smaller dealers? I know I could have used such a list back when I was trying to find a black paint MP. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted June 1, 2022 Share #23 Posted June 1, 2022 28 minutes ago, Crem said: I'm curious if there is a list of all the smaller dealers? I know I could have used such a list back when I was trying to find a black paint MP. Leica dealer locator will list all authorized dealers, worldwide. Jeff 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom0511 Posted June 2, 2022 Share #24 Posted June 2, 2022 I dontthink it will be 5 years. Often with such products they are rare when they appear but usually some months later the situation is improving. Specially for such an expensive lens, which will not sell in masses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis Posted June 2, 2022 Share #25 Posted June 2, 2022 I bought mine five days ago in a Leica store in Mexico. Then I woke up 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jobea Posted June 3, 2022 Share #26 Posted June 3, 2022 I was told by my dealer one year would be the waiting period. Might be shorter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hdmesa Posted June 4, 2022 Share #27 Posted June 4, 2022 Advertisement (gone after registration) It’s quite obviously underpriced if they can’t keep them in stock and waiting lists are a year long or more. $10K would get them in stock more quickly and still be cheaper than buying one from scalpers on eBay. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted June 4, 2022 Share #28 Posted June 4, 2022 10 hours ago, hdmesa said: It’s quite obviously underpriced if they can’t keep them in stock and waiting lists are a year long or more. $10K would get them in stock more quickly and still be cheaper than buying one from scalpers on eBay. Not if there are production issues related to the complexity of the lens, and/or if there are supply chain issues. Higher prices wouldn’t fix that, and rushing the process could challenge QC. Jeff 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capuccino-Muffin Posted June 4, 2022 Share #29 Posted June 4, 2022 1 hour ago, Jeff S said: Not if there are production issues related to the complexity of the lens, and/or if there are supply chain issues. Higher prices wouldn’t fix that, and rushing the process could challenge QC. Jeff Still, they would sell at higher prices. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted June 4, 2022 Share #30 Posted June 4, 2022 7 minutes ago, Capuccino-Muffin said: Still, they would sell at higher prices. Of course. That’s never been a problem. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaticB Posted June 4, 2022 Share #31 Posted June 4, 2022 I ordered mine 3 weeks ago and, according to dealer, will be there in another three weeks. The dealer is Digital Camera Graz - DCG (Austria), long time Leica partner. They also told me, they ordered 30 pieces (I presume for this year), they already sold 15 and have confirmation for another 15. It seems to me, there exist some quotas for each dealer, and depends on it they recieve pieces monthly. Quotas might depends on sells numbers? Anyway, I've always have good relationship with DCG and always got whatever I wanted. When 28 Summilux was new on market and hard to get, they got me one in a month, and in march this year I both M 10R BP, when it was already rare item. They have 2 in stock and now both are sold. It seems to me, they are quite confident they will sell everything and they invest their own money in different pieces, even tricky one (tricky for sell). They also have their own service and always offer in price 1 service/year for the equipment, bought at them, and beside, they have excellent reputation on eBay for used equipment. For APO 35 I've already made arrangement and they will take in price mine Q2. Although excellent camera, it simply didn't atract me enough to keep it. I found myself even for the occasions, for which I actualy bought it, I prefere M240 and even more M 10R. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hdmesa Posted June 4, 2022 Share #32 Posted June 4, 2022 2 hours ago, Jeff S said: Not if there are production issues related to the complexity of the lens, and/or if there are supply chain issues. Higher prices wouldn’t fix that, and rushing the process could challenge QC. Jeff Higher price can lower demand which can allow Leica to fulfill that lower demand more easily. Nothing has to change except the price. $10K might not slow demand enough, maybe $11.5K. If it the most complex and difficult Leica M lens to make, it should command a premium. What Leica is up against is the fact that it’s still just a close-focusing 35mm f2 lens in the end, and that limits the price point from a logical mindset. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted June 4, 2022 Share #33 Posted June 4, 2022 3 hours ago, hdmesa said: Higher price can lower demand which can allow Leica to fulfill that lower demand more easily. Nothing has to change except the price. $10K might not slow demand enough, maybe $11.5K. If it the most complex and difficult Leica M lens to make, it should command a premium. What Leica is up against is the fact that it’s still just a close-focusing 35mm f2 lens in the end, and that limits the price point from a logical mindset. There is already a steep premium and demand is still strong. Clearly the close focus and build challenges bumped/supported the higher price. (Leica execs admitted that the lens was initially designed with traditional 70 cm MFD; then altered when the tech side pitched close focus capability.) I doubt a moderately higher price would lessen demand; in fact, it might increase with rarity and exclusiveness, real or perceived. It’s now likely the template for more such lenses. The Leica way. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capuccino-Muffin Posted June 5, 2022 Share #34 Posted June 5, 2022 11 hours ago, hdmesa said: Higher price can lower demand which can allow Leica to fulfill that lower demand more easily. Nothing has to change except the price. $10K might not slow demand enough, maybe $11.5K. If it the most complex and difficult Leica M lens to make, it should command a premium. What Leica is up against is the fact that it’s still just a close-focusing 35mm f2 lens in the end, and that limits the price point from a logical mindset. You forget the “Legendary”, “Magnum”, “HCB” narrative that elevates any Normal Leica lens to a new dimension. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted June 9, 2022 Share #35 Posted June 9, 2022 (edited) Just turned down a second one. My approach to these things is to just approach my favoured dealer, and wait. It works. I’ve said to them I’m not ready til later in the year, or next year - I have no doubt it will be there if (when) I want it. As I have a 35 Summilux pre-asph and a 35 Distagon, I’m not convinced I actually want/need one, but the choice is there … Edited June 9, 2022 by IkarusJohn Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KenTanaka Posted June 9, 2022 Share #36 Posted June 9, 2022 Very scarce, indeed. I rented one for a week early this year. Nice, particularly the close-focusing feature. But absolutely not worth the obsession. Comparing to my lovely 35 Lux and 35 non-Apo Cron confirmed that to my eyes. So I’ve largely given up on the quest. I’ll peek around occasionally (now) but I’ve moved on. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RexGig0 Posted June 10, 2022 Share #37 Posted June 10, 2022 The soonest that I could use a credit card to buy an APO Summicron-M 35mm ASPH would be near the end of June, and that would not be the wisest financial move. 2023 would probably be better. So, I am not on any waiting lists. Another reason that I can be patient, is that I am able to “cheat,” if I need a close-focusing 35mm f/2 lens. Actually, it is not cheating, but simply that Canon EOS EF remains my primary macro and close-range system, from when I was working for the police department, and had the added responsibility of evidentiary/forensic/crime scene photography. Canon manufactures an excellent close-focusing EF 35mm f/2 lens, which nicely complements an EF 100mm Macro L lens. Both have Image Stabilization. A close-focusing 35mm is truly useful, when one has to crawl about, inside confined spaces, such as vehicles, to photograph such things as bullet holes. They share a filter thread size, so can share a Macro ring Lite flash. Realistically, the magnification ratio of my recently-acquired APO Summicron-M 75mm ASPH may well make it the better candidate, than the APO Summicron-M 35mm ASPH, for actual close-range shooting. (I have yet to attempt to do the math.) This lens was not a hot item, on the pre-owned market, compared to many other M lenses, lately, so, I was able to get it for a quite nice price. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBabyEarl Posted June 11, 2022 Share #38 Posted June 11, 2022 Dying for one. I think it’s a gem and an exciting match for the new M11. A lot to explore and the perfect combo. Anyone passing on one again please let me know. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oka Posted June 13, 2022 Share #39 Posted June 13, 2022 Got mine recently, I placed the order when it was released… 😬 Never experienced such a long delivery on any product. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedaes Posted June 13, 2022 Share #40 Posted June 13, 2022 51 minutes ago, oka said: Never experienced such a long delivery on any product It was the same with the 50 APO at the beginning. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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