lct Posted June 12, 2022 Share #1 Posted June 12, 2022 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) Great little lens the Super-Angulon 21/3.4. Code number 11103. Schneider and Leica did know how to make compact lenses then. Curiously or not, i did not own one in the film days. Never liked accessory finders then so i acquired mine a couple years ago for my Kolari mod Sony A7r2 which has a BSI sensor and is rather immune to the "Italian flag" color shift. I was curious to see how the M11 behaves with this lens given that it has another BSI sensor. Glad to report that it works more or less the same way at f/8 and on. Less sure at f5.6 and below. Here at f/8 on M240 and M11. Couple of snaps at f/8 to fuel the discussion too and the last one on my Sony to show what the lens can do on closeups (about 20cm). Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited June 12, 2022 by lct 6 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/333422-s-a-2134-on-m11/?do=findComment&comment=4452447'>More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted June 12, 2022 Posted June 12, 2022 Hi lct, Take a look here S-A 21/3.4 on M11. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
sinjun Posted June 12, 2022 Share #2 Posted June 12, 2022 (edited) 10 hours ago, lct said: I was curious to see how the M11 behaves with this lens given that it has another BSI sensor. My Kolari mod Sony A7S also seems immune to Italian flag colour shift, e.g. on the CV 15mm mark 1. As far as I'm aware, this does not have a BSI sensor, so I'm not sure that this is the critical factor. Clearly it also lacks special micro lenses, and I had put the lack of colour shift down to a combination of thin sensor cover glass and large pixel pitch - though the latter is obviously not a factor withyour A7R2. I seem to recall you have a CV 21mm. If so, how does the Super Angulon compare in sharpness / rendering? Edited June 12, 2022 by sinjun Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted June 12, 2022 Author Share #3 Posted June 12, 2022 In response to @jankap, no cropping, no vignetting or other corner correction, no added sharpening nor noise reduction in PP. Other details in exif data. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted June 12, 2022 Author Share #4 Posted June 12, 2022 12 minutes ago, sinjun said: I seem to recall you have a CV 21mm. If so, how does the Super Angulon compare in sharpness / rendering? Not yet tried my CV 21/3.5 or CV 21/4 on the M11 yet sorry. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted June 12, 2022 Author Share #5 Posted June 12, 2022 4 hours ago, lct said: Not yet tried my CV 21/3.5 or CV 21/4 on the M11 yet sorry. Problem partly solved. I won't show color pics at f/5.6 and below with the S-A 21/3.4 since Itlian flag begins to appear and corners and edges become too soft. As far as color photos are concerned, i consider the S-A 21/3.4 an f/8 lens on the M11. For larger apertures than f/8 better choose other lenses like the tiny and inexpensive CV Skopar 21/4. It is a bit softer at f/4 in the centre of the frame with a bit more distotion but it is superior elsewhere at all apertures, vignettes less and doesn't suffer from Italian flag at all. The CV 21/4 does not show significant CA issues either. Here at f/4 on the M11, same workflow as for the S-A above. https://photos.smugmug.com/Diverse/n-QFBj4/Leica-M11-CV-214/i-HPbNjvJ/0/9606ad86/X4/M1002819_si-X4.jpg 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
darylgo Posted June 12, 2022 Share #6 Posted June 12, 2022 (edited) I have found my copy to be a challenge, and it appears to need calibration when comparing images with lct's. Tripod, 16" (0.4m), f3.4 first image, f8 second image, no sharpening or lens profile used. f8 appears less sharp....wind or focus shift. Image #2 has highlight recovery, M10-R all images. italian flag is evident. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited June 12, 2022 by darylgo Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/333422-s-a-2134-on-m11/?do=findComment&comment=4453048'>More sharing options...
darylgo Posted June 12, 2022 Share #7 Posted June 12, 2022 Advertisement (gone after registration) f3.4, inf. focus, Italian flag shows greatly with bright edges, no sharpening or lens correction, whites reduced for light subject in center. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/333422-s-a-2134-on-m11/?do=findComment&comment=4453057'>More sharing options...
darylgo Posted June 12, 2022 Share #8 Posted June 12, 2022 Same as above save f8. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/333422-s-a-2134-on-m11/?do=findComment&comment=4453058'>More sharing options...
lct Posted June 12, 2022 Author Share #9 Posted June 12, 2022 Got my 1970 copy second hand in as new condition and it shows i guess. Now below f/8 it can't seem to do anything interesting with it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
darylgo Posted June 12, 2022 Share #10 Posted June 12, 2022 37 minutes ago, lct said: Got my 1970 copy second hand in as new condition and it shows i guess. Now below f/8 it can't seem to do anything interesting with it. My copy had been used professionally or treated as such. The clarity slider in LR improved the images with a bit more pop, an obvious need with the low contrast of my copy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LKY Posted June 13, 2022 Share #11 Posted June 13, 2022 (edited) I have two SA 21/3.4, one in silver (1964) and the other in black (1977). Based on my testings on M10M, they both behave identically when focusing the normal distance, summarized as follows: Suffering from massive focus shift issue. Focus calibration optimized at F8 (i.e., sharp without any adjustment necessary using manual focusing on my M10M). Therefore, I need to slightly adjust once to the far side at F5.6, turn twice at F4.0 and turn four times at F3.4. I can get nice and sharp pictures especially in the center at all apertures after making focus adjustments described above. Of course, given that the 21mm lens offers pretty large depth of field, for normal distances I would just guess the distance and set the lens accordingly without the need to use the focusing patch and only use LV for super close subjects. Edited June 13, 2022 by LKY to be more complete Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted June 13, 2022 Author Share #12 Posted June 13, 2022 13 hours ago, LKY said: Suffering from massive focus shift issue. Not my feeling i must say but i use the lens in LV mode exclusively. I see some field curvature for sure but a point in focus at full aperture remains so at other apertures on my copy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwesi Posted June 30, 2022 Share #13 Posted June 30, 2022 @lct Does the M11 have a built -in profile for the SA 21/3.4? and if so are you using it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted June 30, 2022 Author Share #14 Posted June 30, 2022 4 minutes ago, Kwesi said: @lct Does the M11 have a built -in profile for the SA 21/3.4? and if so are you using it? There is no built-in profile for the S-A 21/3.4 and i don't use any lens profile on the M11 for this lens. I don't shoot jpegs though. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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