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More than maybe ;)  However I read those threads more as a tribute to the  enthusiasm of the present owners. AFAIK know Leica is still delivering these cameras as current product. 

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2 hours ago, Al Brown said:

From the marketing point of view, companies and individuals usually do such workshops for free to have the audience available for upsell and/or cross-sell of their products.
What I am more curious about is why an online event is " strictly limited to 10 participants". Makes no real sense.

Not Leica, They did do such introductory courses from time to time in the past, but their educational Academy has never been free. That distinguishes it from  mere marketing. Most car manufacturers don't give free advanced driving courses with their cars either, for instance.  ;) 

The number limitation is undoubtedly because it allows for personal attention, it is not a lecture but a workshop. 

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I have been on several Akademie workshops: a two day workshop on using photography to connect to other creative fields (music, poetry...); a two day workshop separated by a weeklong homework project on story telling; a one day workshop on available light photography; a couple of others I can't remember. They were expensive but they matched what I was looking for, and I paid for the benefit of being in a small group, with the opportunities that gives for discussion. Interaction with the leader and other attendees was part of the value. The leaders were all excellent.

They currently offer a 5-day in-person workshop in London with Bruce Gilden - at £1250 for 12 attendees that would be good value if you're into what he does (not for me, though).

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14 hours ago, Le Chef said:

Leica kills off a whole product line and then expects people to pay to learn learn how it functions?

You do realize it comes with an instruction manual, not to mention plenty of tips and tricks by users, reviewers, etc online? There's no reason anyone NEEDS to take a course to learn how to use any camera, unless one wants to. Might want to save the outrage for something real and worthy...

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1 hour ago, charlesphoto99 said:

You do realize it comes with an instruction manual, not to mention plenty of tips and tricks by users, reviewers, etc online? There's no reason anyone NEEDS to take a course to learn how to use any camera, unless one wants to. Might want to save the outrage for something real and worthy...

You do realize we’re on the same side of this argument…

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7 hours ago, jaapv said:

The number limitation is undoubtedly because it allows for personal attention, it is not a lecture but a workshop. 

Definitely. Though there are others that are in-person. For instance, the one next week in LA for which this thread has encouraged me to sign up.

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On 5/16/2022 at 9:21 AM, jaapv said:

More than maybe ;)  However I read those threads more as a tribute to the  enthusiasm of the present owners. AFAIK know Leica is still delivering these cameras as current product. 

Seems maybe now we have it direct from the horses mouth..

But certainly, my enthusiasm for the CL remains untouched😀, and my disappointment that the line is not to be continued remains too😥, at least we know. 

 

 

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21 hours ago, Le Chef said:

You do realize we’re on the same side of this argument…

Hmmm, I guess I didn't make myself entirely clear. In other words, these and most 'gear' workshops have little to do with actually learning anything new or pushing the boundaries of one's artistry, but rather are a way for some well heeled gentleman to get out of the house for the afternoon and swap gear FOMO stories. Workshops with Magnum photogs etc a different deal...

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32 minutes ago, jaapv said:

That is not quite fair. Leica Academy workshops are generally at a high level with excellent instructors.

Yes, I won't argue with you on that (and FTR I've helped teach an Akadamie workshop in the past). Of course workshops in general are not my thing - I hate photographing with others, first and foremost, though I think sometimes a long form with the likes of somebody like Gilden could push some buttons and re-engage some gears that have gotten stuck. Push me out of my comfort zone. 

But in the time frame of a short day it's primarily a social thing, and there's nothing wrong with that. As well I can see how it could be good for somebody who bought a CL on whim or recommendation and is new to photography. 

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Please wake me when the outrage, indignation, and entitlement is over. It's noisome.

A couple of my film cameras have not been "supported" for 50 years now, a couple other of my digital cameras have not been supported for a decade. They all seem to still be making photographs just fine. I'd rather think about that, and make photographs, then debate what Leica should do.

I'm quite happy with what Leica has done already ... I have this lovely digital CL camera that makes splendid photos. Looks like it'll keep doing that for a long time to come. I like the CL so much that I just bought another Leica, an M10 Monochrom, that also makes splendid photos. These two cameras motivate and encourage me to buy another Leica.. at some point in the future.

And yes, I've owned and used happily quite a few other Leicas in the past. Great company, great cameras, excellent lenses ... ya know? :D 

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2 hours ago, ramarren said:

Please wake me when the outrage, indignation, and entitlement is over. It's noisome.

....or stay awake and read a different thread?

I don't agree with much that is written, but I know what I can do if I find it too underwhelming.

OTOH, I've read so many posts like this from you that I suspect you enjoy these threads really!

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48 minutes ago, LocalHero1953 said:

....or stay awake and read a different thread?

I don't agree with much that is written, but I know what I can do if I find it too underwhelming.

OTOH, I've read so many post like this from you that I suspect you enjoy these threads really!

I find them quite amusing. And a little sad. They're certainly not what I spend most of my time reading. ;)

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2 hours ago, ramarren said:

I find them quite amusing. And a little sad. They're certainly not what I spend most of my time reading. ;)

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I, too, find some sad bleakness in those who waste the day being upset about such insignificant things, and self-inflicted, no less.

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5 hours ago, ramarren said:

Please wake me when the outrage, indignation, and entitlement is over. It's noisome.

A couple of my film cameras have not been "supported" for 50 years now, a couple other of my digital cameras have not been supported for a decade. They all seem to still be making photographs just fine. I'd rather think about that, and make photographs, then debate what Leica should do.

I'm quite happy with what Leica has done already ... I have this lovely digital CL camera that makes splendid photos. Looks like it'll keep doing that for a long time to come. I like the CL so much that I just bought another Leica, an M10 Monochrom, that also makes splendid photos. These two cameras motivate and encourage me to buy another Leica.. at some point in the future.

And yes, I've owned and used happily quite a few other Leicas in the past. Great company, great cameras, excellent lenses ... ya know? :D 

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Wait, wait…what? We live in an age of perpetual outrage and everyone seemingly being personally offended by everything. How dare you enjoy life on earth during the time you have allotted.

We live in amazing times, yet everyone is miserable. I’m afraid that even a perfect camera design or nifty feature will never solve the core malady that infects too many humans.

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16 minutes ago, Foxtwo said:

Wait, wait…what? We live in an age of perpetual outrage and everyone seemingly being personally offended by everything. How dare you enjoy life on earth during the time you have allotted.

We live in amazing times, yet everyone is miserable. I’m afraid that even a perfect camera design or nifty feature will never solve the core malady that infects too many humans.

Old Chinese proverb - 'Ahh it is good to live in interesting times'

Old Russian proverb - 'Trust but verify'

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