What happened here? (sprocket marks on negative )

[grahamc]

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Hello.  New to dev here

Happy accident here as I quite like this, but I don't know how the sprocket marks ended up on the negative .

Some info - I had to absolutely wrestle with this roll when loading it onto the reel in my dark-bag .  By the 7th or 8th try my hands were getting really hot and the film was curly / twisting and even felt like it was even sticking together at times.  I feel that's possibly how this happened ?  It was certainly getting hot and getting handled a lot on the actual film surface by myself.  When the roll finallyy loads though it was loaded correctly I think .

This marking is on only 4 or 5 frames of the roll.    There was another roll in the same tank that loaded easily first time and is completely unaffected so I don't 'think' it is surge marks or a light leak . 

The only other info that might be relevant is I used 2 reels in a 3-reel tank.  Usually I use 3 but I unintentionally only put 2 in my dark bag.  This affected roll was the top reel.  There was enough developer for the full 3-reel tank though, as if to cover 3 rolls (900ml in 3 roll size paterson)

It kinda works on this image but I would want to avoid it in the future! 

Thanks for any help 

 

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Edited April 18, 2022 by grahamc

[jankap]

I think, that this happened during the development. An end of the second film was not fixed. 

Do you cut off the the first slips until the full film starts?

Edited April 18, 2022 by jankap

[grahamc]

Interesting, thankyou.  I think I can re-fix it can't I ?

I'm not sure if I want to 'fix' this though

[jankap]

No, I would take the pictures as it is. I like it this way.

Refixing, only after scanning and then in PS.

For my first films I poured the developer into the tank with the films in daylight. That gave problems with the sprocket holes with the fresh developer. Now I prepare the tank with developer in the tank (in the dark) and put the reel fast into the fluid. And close the tank thereafter.

[jankap]

Perhaps the telephone is too much. But the traces of the sprockets are ok.

[grahamc]

58 minutes ago, jankap said:

Perhaps the telephone is too much. But the traces of the sprockets are ok.

Ha true. 

I am going to try to re-fix another from the same roll that I don't like so much, and see what happens to the sprocket marks

Edited April 18, 2022 by grahamc

[250swb]

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Given the sprocket holes are lighter this implies more exposure. My theory would be you hadn't zipped up your changing bag properly and in fumbling to load the films one film has overlapped another, or itself, long enough for the light leak to cast a shadow through the film. Look at other areas of the film base and see if you have any grey areas of fogging rather than clear base.

[Steve Ricoh]

8 hours ago, grahamc said:

Hello.  New to dev here

Happy accident here as I quite like this, but I don't know how the sprocket marks ended up on the negative .

Some info - I had to absolutely wrestle with this roll when loading it onto the reel in my dark-bag .  By the 7th or 8th try my hands were getting really hot and the film was curly / twisting and even felt like it was even sticking together at times.  I feel that's possibly how this happened ?  It was certainly getting hot and getting handled a lot on the actual film surface by myself.  When the roll finallyy loads though it was loaded correctly I think .

This marking is on only 4 or 5 frames of the roll.    There was another roll in the same tank that loaded easily first time and is completely unaffected so I don't 'think' it is surge marks or a light leak . 

The only other info that might be relevant is I used 2 reels in a 3-reel tank.  Usually I use 3 but I unintentionally only put 2 in my dark bag.  This affected roll was the top reel.  There was enough developer for the full 3-reel tank though, as if to cover 3 rolls (900ml in 3 roll size paterson)

It kinda works on this image but I would want to avoid it in the future! 

Thanks for any help 

 

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Here’s the thing... if you cover up the right hand side of the frame with a sheet of paper, or something, you can see a cat. Bloody amazing!

[grahamc]

17 hours ago, 250swb said:

Given the sprocket holes are lighter this implies more exposure. My theory would be you hadn't zipped up your changing bag properly and in fumbling to load the films one film has overlapped another, or itself, long enough for the light leak to cast a shadow through the film. Look at other areas of the film base and see if you have any grey areas of fogging rather than clear base.

I’ve re fixed today and the marks are still there so I think this must be what happened, thanks 

[oldwino]

Do you wear a watch (maybe a smart watch)? If it lights up while your hands are in the changing bag, loading film...well, it has happened to me. 

[grahamc]

12 hours ago, oldwino said:

Do you wear a watch (maybe a smart watch)? If it lights up while your hands are in the changing bag, loading film...well, it has happened to me. 

Thanks for the suggestion.   I actually don't, but good tip.  I'm going for the 'light leak' into bag hypothesis , I've re-fixed the images and this pattern is still on serval negs, plus another one on other negs that looks like mesh pattern - my guess is one of the zippers wasn't closed properly

Also I struggled so much with this roll that the process took AGES .. like 45mins, which means that this roll was exposed to the 'dark' bag for much much longer than would be usual.

The other roll I loaded into the tank first is fine (was very quick) .  I'm just glad that it kinda works with this concept  

[Steve Ricoh]

On 4/23/2022 at 4:11 PM, oldwino said:

Do you wear a watch (maybe a smart watch)? If it lights up while your hands are in the changing bag, loading film...well, it has happened to me. 

That’s a great idea. Maybe my wristwatch will turn out to be a better artist than its owner. 🤪

[earleygallery]

Also think a light leak or possibly the film was wound together (no gap) but then I'd expect uneven development marks too.

Interesting photo all the same!