28mm lenses

[hirohhhh]

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I just got mine MP BP today.

Silly question, but I'd appreciate opinions — I like shooting with 28mm. I have all focal length for SL system (which I barely use since I got my M10-R), but for M system, I have only 28mm 1.4 ASPH and I love it. Now, I have two Ms, one analog and one digital and I share that one lens between them. I'm thinking what to do — keep changing lenses on a daily basis from one camera to another, or buy another lens and keep one on each camera. It seems stupid buying another 28mm, but on the other hand, that's the only focal length I really like. I picked up my Rolleiflex with 50mm the other day, and I didn't like 50mm that much. Buying 35mm could be a sweet spot, but it's not that different than 28mm and I know I will often miss a wide angle that 28mm has. Maybe 24? I'd rather go wider... Also, it would not be easy to spend another $7-8k on another lens, so maybe I should look for a vintage one for my MP? Or Voigtländer? 

Edited February 26, 2022 by hirohhhh

[stefanusj]

6 minutes ago, hirohhhh said:

I just got mine MP BP today.

Silly question, but I'd appreciate opinions — I like shooting with 28mm. I have all focal length for SL system (which I barely use since I got my M10-R), but for M system, I have only 28mm 1.4 ASPH and I love it. Now, I have two Ms, one analog and one digital and I share that one lens between them. I'm thinking what to do — keep changing lenses on a daily basis from one camera to another, or buy another lens and keep one on each camera. It seems stupid buying another 28mm, but on the other hand, that's the only focal length I really like. I picked up my Rolleiflex with 50mm the other day, and I didn't like 50mm that much. Buying 35mm could be a sweet spot, but it's not that different than 28mm and I know I will often miss a wide angle that 28mm has. Maybe 24? I'd rather go wider... Also, it would not be easy to spend another $7-8k on another lens, so maybe I should look for a vintage one for my MP? Or Voigtländer? 

digital M with Elmar 24, analogue MP with 28 Summicron (or Lux). 

[Kriehuber]

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Edited February 26, 2022 by Kriehuber

[Kriehuber]

1 hour ago, hirohhhh said:

I just got mine MP BP today.

Silly question, but I'd appreciate opinions — I like shooting with 28mm. I have all focal length for SL system (which I barely use since I got my M10-R), but for M system, I have only 28mm 1.4 ASPH and I love it. Now, I have two Ms, one analog and one digital and I share that one lens between them. I'm thinking what to do — keep changing lenses on a daily basis from one camera to another, or buy another lens and keep one on each camera. It seems stupid buying another 28mm, but on the other hand, that's the only focal length I really like. I picked up my Rolleiflex with 50mm the other day, and I didn't like 50mm that much. Buying 35mm could be a sweet spot, but it's not that different than 28mm and I know I will often miss a wide angle that 28mm has. Maybe 24? I'd rather go wider... Also, it would not be easy to spend another $7-8k on another lens, so maybe I should look for a vintage one for my MP? Or Voigtländer? 

Im a diehard 28mm shooter ( 24mm and 21mm are also nice  ) and there is no fault on owing multiple 28s. I wouldn't mind only owning 28mm lenses. 

But a 24mm is also great and a lot of fun to use because you have to get closer to the subject as with a 28mm. Personally I relay like using external finders ( and sometimes I also use a Bessa R4M wich has 21/25mm frame lines ) but when you don't like using one I would stick with 28mm or longer. 

[Huss]

On 2/26/2022 at 12:51 AM, hirohhhh said:

I just got mine MP BP today.

Silly question, but I'd appreciate opinions — I like shooting with 28mm. I have all focal length for SL system (which I barely use since I got my M10-R), but for M system, I have only 28mm 1.4 ASPH and I love it. Now, I have two Ms, one analog and one digital and I share that one lens between them. I'm thinking what to do — keep changing lenses on a daily basis from one camera to another, or buy another lens and keep one on each camera. It seems stupid buying another 28mm, but on the other hand, that's the only focal length I really like. I picked up my Rolleiflex with 50mm the other day, and I didn't like 50mm that much. Buying 35mm could be a sweet spot, but it's not that different than 28mm and I know I will often miss a wide angle that 28mm has. Maybe 24? I'd rather go wider... Also, it would not be easy to spend another $7-8k on another lens, so maybe I should look for a vintage one for my MP? Or Voigtländer? 

I would not get another 28mm 1.4, but a slower/much more compact one so you have that focal length covered but not with the same thing.  Make the experience different.

On the MP BP a smaller 28 feels/works/handles much better.  I have a 28 1.4 but also use the Leica 28 2.8 Asph, the CV 28 3.5 (a superb lens), and an Orion 15 28mm f6 (another remarkable lens on film).  All these lenses are so much more enjoyable to use than the big 1.4 because the camera handles so much better.  

There is also the TTA 28mm f5.6, and the Leica 28mm f5.6 Summaron (new version) both of which are tiny and people have been very happy with.

[hirohhhh]

Is there any exotic M 28mm lens that can focus up to 0.3m? All the usual suspects are up to 0.7m.

I have Elmarit-R 28mm f2.8  mounted with adapter that can focus that close, but the focus patch doesn’t work in that combo.

[Alexander-HH]

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The 28mm Voigtlander Ultron II can focus down to 0.5m.

Edited February 28, 2022 by Alexander-HH

[Kriehuber]

The MS-Optical 28mm f2 go down to 0.6m / 0.4m meter depending on the version 

[stefanusj]

12 hours ago, hirohhhh said:

Is there any exotic M 28mm lens that can focus up to 0.3m? All the usual suspects are up to 0.7m.

I have Elmarit-R 28mm f2.8  mounted with adapter that can focus that close, but the focus patch doesn’t work in that combo.

the RF is limit to 0,7mtr.... so whats the point?

[Vlad Soare]

11 minutes ago, stefanusj said:

the RF is limit to 0,7mtr.... so whats the point?

You can stop the lens down, use the distance scale for focusing, and hope for the best. It's a wide angle; it has plenty of depth of field (though perhaps not so much at that close range, but still, it has more than average).

 

[Vlad Soare]

Speaking of 28 mm lenses, my wife has her eye on a Summaron. She's particularly attracted by its small size and its natural vignette wide open. Mind you, "wide open" is just a figure of speech, since f/5.6 can be called anything but wide, but she's not bothered by that. 

Any personal experience with that? Does it look like a good idea?

[andybarton]

14 minutes ago, Vlad Soare said:

Mind you, "wide open" is just a figure of speech, since f/5.6 can be called anything but wide, but she's not bothered by that. 

It’s wide open for a Summaron f5.6

[Ouroboros]

1 hour ago, Vlad Soare said:

 

……Any personal experience with that? Does it look like a good idea?

28mm is my most used focal length.  I have a 28mm summicron  asph Safari edition and a 28mm summaron-m.  The summaron is a very nice compact lens and has a lot of character as you will see in the dedicated thread in the Leica Lenses sub forum. 
I use mine be with both film and digital and would not be without it.

[stefanusj]

2 hours ago, Vlad Soare said:

You can stop the lens down, use the distance scale for focusing, and hope for the best. It's a wide angle; it has plenty of depth of field (though perhaps not so much at that close range, but still, it has more than average).

 

i usually use hyperfocal, not @ <0.7meter... maybe its just me, LOL

[stefanusj]

2 hours ago, Vlad Soare said:

Speaking of 28 mm lenses, my wife has her eye on a Summaron. She's particularly attracted by its small size and its natural vignette wide open. Mind you, "wide open" is just a figure of speech, since f/5.6 can be called anything but wide, but she's not bothered by that. 

Any personal experience with that? Does it look like a good idea?

i only use summaron28 with digital M, because of the limitation of the aperture vs ASA. i think the re-release of the summaron28 in 2016 is a perfect scenario to match the M Monochrom that released a year before.

vs other 28mm, it has a classic character (less digital) but with more advanced coating (the contrast is way better than the original in the backlight scene).

[hirohhhh]

2 hours ago, stefanusj said:

i usually use hyperfocal, not @ <0.7meter... maybe its just me, LOL

I rarely use it <0.7m too, but I found it's a nice option to have sometimes when I have a closeup in mind, and then I figure out I cannot have it because I have to be too far from the subject. Yes, I can crop, but that's not what I want

[Guest]

1 hour ago, hirohhhh said:

I rarely use it <0.7m too, but I found it's a nice option to have sometimes when I have a closeup in mind, and then I figure out I cannot have it because I have to be too far from the subject. Yes, I can crop, but that's not what I want

The 28mm Voigtlander Ultron II is also available in BP, and would match your new MP nicely. I bought my copy last month and have nothing but good things to say about the lens.

[Dennis]

On 2/26/2022 at 1:51 AM, hirohhhh said:

It seems stupid buying another 28mm, but on the other hand, that's the only focal length I really like.

Why? Many people have and use more than one lens of the same focal length. I have a few 35s, each for different occasions 🙂 

On 2/26/2022 at 1:51 AM, hirohhhh said:

Buying 35mm could be a sweet spot, but it's not that different than 28mm

TBH, there is a small 'mm' variance, but in practice there is a huge difference.

 

[matted]

8 hours ago, Vlad Soare said:

You can stop the lens down, use the distance scale for focusing, and hope for the best. It's a wide angle; it has plenty of depth of field (though perhaps not so much at that close range, but still, it has more than average).

 

I sometimes wish my 21 SEM focused closer than .7m, even if the rangefinder stops there.

 

As for the original question, I think the 21 SEM is a great complement to 28mm, as is a 35mm. I have a Q2 and love the 28mm focal length, but still find myself wanting to add a 28mm to my M kit, and maybe even multiple 28s. Since you already have a 28 Lux the 28 Elmarit gives you both a different look (sharp and contrasty) and a much different size when you want to go light.

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[wizard]

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Since you already have a 28 Lux the 28 Elmarit gives you both a different look (sharp and contrasty) and a much different size when you want to go light.

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