LEICA M11 ISSUES - Continuous Low shoots at 1-1.5FPS, and Random Overexposed Negatives

[M Journey]

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5 hours ago, SrMi said:

Using a stopwatch running on the iPad, I look at the times in the images. Continuous Low: one fps without LV, three fps with LV (mechanical shutter). 

This has to be a firmware issue since it looks like everyone (including me, just tested) is noticing this issue.

  

 

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[mrmalo]

I can reproduce the first CL issue @danieldouloslee

Have you reached out to Leica directly?When I spoke with them this week about another issue, they mentioned March as a date for the next firmware release.

[Photoworks]

4 hours ago, mrmalo said:

I can reproduce the first CL issue @danieldouloslee

Have you reached out to Leica directly?When I spoke with them this week about another issue, they mentioned March as a date for the next firmware release.

lets hope so, but in my experience they don't fix new bugs. they just keep going with the scheduled updates.

I has reported few bugs of the Sl2 when it came out. It took 2 years to finally have a fix.

[digitalfx]

8 hours ago, elmars said:

I can replicate the behavior - but only if auto review is off not if is set to 3 sec. Certainly a bug. 

Ahh, that would explain why I dont see it. I have Auto Review set to hold shutter button. Which if you haven't tried is the best setting ever, and it has finally returned after being absent in the entire M10 series.

Image review only displays if you continue to hold the shutter button after taking a photo, otherwise it's essentially off. Autio review in this case lasts as long as you want or as short as you want...or for me, in most cases not at all. It takes a bit of time to b build up the muscle memory, but once you get the hang of it it is the best option.

[SrMi]

3 hours ago, digitalfx said:

Ahh, that would explain why I dont see it. I have Auto Review set to hold shutter button. Which if you haven't tried is the best setting ever, and it has finally returned after being absent in the entire M10 series.

Image review only displays if you continue to hold the shutter button after taking a photo, otherwise it's essentially off. Autio review in this case lasts as long as you want or as short as you want...or for me, in most cases not at all. It takes a bit of time to b build up the muscle memory, but once you get the hang of it it is the best option.

Cool, thanks!

[mrmalo]

On 1/23/2022 at 7:58 AM, M Journey said:

This has to be a firmware issue since it looks like everyone (including me, just tested) is noticing this issue.

Really hope so!

I've seen reports of users not being able to reproduce the issue, but this could be down to individual settings, as @digitalfx highlighted with "Auto Review" set to "Hold shutter" button.

[orcinus]

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On 1/23/2022 at 1:19 AM, digitalfx said:

are you sure the sound of the shutter isnt fooling you? Record a sequence of your phone in stopwatch mode and count the frames.

It doesn’t matter if it’s fooling him or not, LV on and LV off are inconsistent.

[digitalfx]

1 hour ago, orcinus said:

It doesn’t matter if it’s fooling him or not, LV on and LV off are inconsistent.

not inconsistent, but based on individual settings as discussed above. I didnt experience the same issue as my image review settings are set differently than op

[John Ricard]

That is bizarre. But at least Continuous high seems to be working.  If one of those 2 modes had to fail (low continuous or high continuous) I'd definitely prefer it be the low mode.

[digitalfx]

7 minutes ago, John Ricard said:

That is bizarre. But at least Continuous high seems to be working.  If one of those 2 modes had to fail (low continuous or high continuous) I'd definitely prefer it be the low mode.

Just to be clear...its works correctly as long as you dont have Auto Review set to a defined period. Im sure this will be fixed in FW update.

[danieldouloslee]

Hey all! Just following up here. The Issue has been reported to Leica NJ and received this message from a Product Specialist/Instructor:

 

"I’m experiencing the same slow shooting in continuous low in rangefinder mode as you and others are. This has been reported to Germany and being worked on. The metering issue I’m not experiencing and cannot replicate with my camera. I have passed on your notes and video to my colleagues in Germany and I’m waiting for a response."

 

Now we wait, and see when a firmware will come to address this. The second issue is something that I believe Wetzlar is already aware of.

To me, these issues are of significant consequence as it affects my photographic workflow. I am almost exclusively a CL burst mode shooter. Young children does that to you, and I am no Henri Cartier-Bresson. The LV on distracts from the shooting experience as I see the lit LCD on my eye. 

 

In the meantime, I have found other issues with the camera (light metering and weird vignetting; will create a separate thread for this). I have forwarded some of my experiences with those close to Leica Wetzlar, and so I hope more can replicate these other issues too. I do fear, that for those waiting on their M11, will have to wait longer because they may stop the supply chain to address these glaring issues.

In the 7+ years of Leica ownership, I have never come across this many issues on a camera at launch. This camera would've been a catastrophic failure of a launch had it was released as it was originally intended last November with Firmware 1.0. This camera could've benefitted a March or May 2022 launch instead. But that is, again, another conversation in a seperate thread.

Edited January 24, 2022 by danieldouloslee

[SrMi]

52 minutes ago, danieldouloslee said:

Hey all! Just following up here. The Issue has been reported to Leica NJ and received this message from a Product Specialist/Instructor:

 

"I’m experiencing the same slow shooting in continuous low in rangefinder mode as you and others are. This has been reported to Germany and being worked on. The metering issue I’m not experiencing and cannot replicate with my camera. I have passed on your notes and video to my colleagues in Germany and I’m waiting for a response."

 

Now we wait, and see when a firmware will come to address this. The second issue is something that I believe Wetzlar is already aware of.

To me, these issues are of significant consequence as it affects my photographic workflow. I am almost exclusively a CL burst mode shooter. Young children does that to you, and I am no Henri Cartier-Bresson. The LV on distracts from the shooting experience as I see the lit LCD on my eye. 

 

In the meantime, I have found other issues with the camera (light metering and weird vignetting; will create a separate thread for this). I have forwarded some of my experiences with those close to Leica Wetzlar, and so I hope more can replicate these other issues too. I do fear, that for those waiting on their M11, will have to wait longer because they may stop the supply chain to address these glaring issues.

In the 7+ years of Leica ownership, I have never come across this many issues on a camera at launch. This camera would've been a catastrophic failure of a launch had it was released as it was originally intended last November with Firmware 1.0. This camera could've benefitted a March or May 2022 launch instead. But that is, again, another conversation in a seperate thread.

Are you aware of the workaround for the CL problem?

The November release was never intended. It was just a rumor, AFAIK.

I prefer having the camera now, as the issues are minor for my workflow or have a good workaround.

I agree that I have never seen a launch with that many issues. However, I have seen a launch with a more severe issue (Q2M).

As long as the issues are fixable with firmware updates, there is no reason for Leica to stop production. AFAIK, the only hardware issue Leica had was with the M9 sensor.

Edited January 24, 2022 by SrMi

[danieldouloslee]

hey @Al Brown - I have had the Q, SL2, Q2, M10P, M10R, M10M at launch… so.. if that’s something.

Edited January 24, 2022 by danieldouloslee

[mboerma]

1 hour ago, SrMi said:

As long as the issues are fixable with firmware updates, there is no reason for Leica to stop production. AFAIK, the only hardware issue Leica had was with the M9 sensor.

The major hardware issue of the M8, poor IR filtering, not to be forgotten.  And the fast 1/8000 shutter was never repeated because of noise (sound), vibrations and could be replaced by one with a max speed of 1/4000 which increases the longevity as well. 
 

The QA of the early M9 was not perfect either, but Leica did learn a lot when they started to develop their own software which took them some time. 

[Daedalus2000]

9 hours ago, orcinus said:

It doesn’t matter if it’s fooling him or not, LV on and LV off are inconsistent.

you have made several statements in the forum with authority and they are all wrong or you have misunderstood what others say.

I suggest you take more time to think about other people's input

[orcinus]

On 1/24/2022 at 11:23 PM, Daedalus2000 said:

you have made several statements in the forum with authority and they are all wrong or you have misunderstood what others say.

I suggest you take more time to think about other people's input

Or what?

You’ll tell me to go stand in the corner?

[Tailwagger]

On 1/23/2022 at 9:16 AM, digitalfx said:

Which if you haven't tried is the best setting ever, and it has finally returned after being absent in the entire M10 series.

Amen. Was quite unhappy when that disappeared.

[Daedalus2000]

12 minutes ago, orcinus said:

Or what?

You’ll tell me to go stand in the corner?

haha! No man, just having a dialogue as two civilized people. 

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[orcinus]

1 minute ago, Daedalus2000 said:

haha! No man, just having a dialogue as two civilized people. 

If my tone is out of line, that’s a different story, and i’ll try and tone it down.
About the only free time i have nowadays is before my first coffee, and it’s beginning to rub off.

[chris_p]

I only use single shot but I was able to duplicate this 'feature' by trying continuous slow. My default is auto review off.

As suggested above I turned on auto review 3 seconds and the continuous slow appeared to work normally with live view off. But when I released the shutter the last image was reviewed and the camera froze. Switching off had no effect. On removing and replacing the battery the continuous slow was working normally again and the camera did not freeze.

However removing and replacing the battery had returned my default profile and the continuous slow was now working normally with both live view AND auto review off!

Continuous fast (ish) behaves normally.

I don't need these features but this is certainly odd behaviour and needs addressing.