Leica Q3 predictions / ruminations

[Olaf_ZG]

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Had the Q but sold it. 28mm is not my view. 
 

A Q with narrower view would be interesting, though for now, a SL takes this job…

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[nicci78]

6 hours ago, Le Chef said:

If you have all of these “improvements” how much bigger are you prepared for the camera to be?

How much heavier will you accept?

If you keep the same battery how many fewer shots are you prepared to accept to handle the increased performance?

There is no free lunch: with every gain what are you prepared to lose or how much more are you prepared to pay?

I don’t know. Leica Make it first we’ll see then. Always easy to say that it is impossible until it is not. 
Q3 may be thicker. It is okay. 
Heavier ? It will never reach SL2 territory, so it is ok. 
Giving up OIS may simplify the lens design. Making it smaller, sharper or faster. Pick your poison.  
IBIS can be small just look how small Sony’s are. 
Flip out screen can be very slim. Just take a look at Fujifilm X100V.

Technology is awesome. It can always be made smaller, better, faster, thinner and cheaper. It is never impossible. We might not know how to do it yet. 
 

[nicci78]

2 hours ago, Olaf_ZG said:

Had the Q but sold it. 28mm is not my view. 
 

A Q with narrower view would be interesting, though for now, a SL takes this job…

So no need to complain. Keep enjoying your SL.  
Q has to keep 28mm or go wider. 
28mm is the reason of its success. Not a deterrent. 

[Olaf_ZG]

9 hours ago, nicci78 said:

So no need to complain. Keep enjoying your SL.  
Q has to keep 28mm or go wider. 
28mm is the reason of its success. Not a deterrent. 

Not complaining. Just stating that a Q with narrower view would be interesting for me, and it could live perfectly next to the present one.

[nicci78]

Making a couple such as 28mm + 40mm makes sense for 24MP (cheaper sub 1K€) APS-C (really pocketable) compact camera such as Ricoh GR III/IIIx.

Not so much for (very >5K€) expensive and big (not pocket friendly at all) high resolution (47MP supposedly 60MP) full frame camera. 
 

With 28mm f/1.7 60MP you can still crop (1.4x) to 40mm f/2.4 30MP ! More than enough for any need. 

[nicci78]

Actually a 25mm f/1.7 Q3 with 60MP will make math way simpler. 
- 25mm f/1.7 60MP x1 
- 35mm f/2.4 30MP x1.4
- 50mm f/3.4 15MP x2 
- 70mm f/5.1 7.5MP x2.8

Such Q3 could replicate a kind of 25-70mm zoom lens with variable equivalent aperture and variable sensor size. 
With more useful wide angle. 

[EUSe]

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vor 23 Minuten schrieb nicci78:

Actually a 25mm f/1.7 Q3 with 60MP will make math way simpler. 
- 25mm f/1.7 60MP x1 
- 35mm f/2.4 30MP x1.4
- 50mm f/3.4 15MP x2 
- 70mm f/5.1 7.5MP x2.8

Such Q3 could replicate a kind of 25-70mm zoom lens with variable equivalent aperture and variable sensor size. 
With more useful wide angle. 

Actually in reality the focal length of the recent Q is 26,5 instead of 28 mm. So a new construction would not make sense.

[Simone_DF]

On 2/11/2022 at 1:11 PM, nicci78 said:

- Maestro III. The former version is too limited for 47MP.  

With the semiconductor crisis nowhere near the end (late 2023/2024 maybe?), it would make more sense to use a Maestro IV, so it can be manufactured in higher numbers to be used on both the Q3 and a SL3

[Olaf_ZG]

I probably will get flamed by saying that I don’t get people ‘buying’ into the marketing propaganda of the digital zoom.

any camera has a digital zoom: it is called cropping.

I don’t want to crop to get to 50mm. I would like to have a 50/2.0 or less on a Q.

 

[Gobert]

6 hours ago, nicci78 said:

Actually a 25mm f/1.7 Q3 with 60MP will make math way simpler. 
- 25mm f/1.7 60MP x1 
- 35mm f/2.4 30MP x1.4
- 50mm f/3.4 15MP x2 
- 70mm f/5.1 7.5MP x2.8

Such Q3 could replicate a kind of 25-70mm zoom lens with variable equivalent aperture and variable sensor size. 
With more useful wide angle. 

This is -of course- an incorrect statement. 25mm keeps the characteristics of 25mm, no matter how much you crop.

[dancook]

5 hours ago, Gobert said:

This is -of course- an incorrect statement. 25mm keeps the characteristics of 25mm, no matter how much you crop.

What characteristics? The outer edge wide angle distortion? As soon as you start cropping that is lost.

Without changing position, cropping is the same as zooming except for the loss of image quality and DOF difference.

[nicci78]

21 hours ago, nicci78 said:

Actually a 25mm f/1.7 Q3 with 60MP will make math way simpler. 
- 25mm f/1.7 60MP x1 
- 35mm f/2.4 30MP x1.4
- 50mm f/3.4 15MP x2 
- 70mm f/5.1 7.5MP x2.8

Such Q3 could replicate a kind of 25-70mm zoom lens with variable equivalent aperture and variable sensor size. 
With more useful wide angle. 

It is just wishful thinking. Obviously Leica will never sell a Q with non traditional focal lengths. 
25mm is more a Zeiss thing. 
70mm is foreign from Leica world. It has to be 75mm. 
Nonetheless I like the idea of a 1 stop crop progression : x1.4 with half the resolution at each step. 

Edited February 14, 2022 by nicci78

[nicci78]

21 hours ago, EUSe said:

Actually in reality the focal length of the recent Q is 26,5 instead of 28 mm. So a new construction would not make sense.

Leica would have to redesign its lens. Summilux-Q at 26mm has severe distortions and totally black corners. Hence the permanent crop to 28mm and software corrections. 

[EUSe]

vor 11 Minuten schrieb nicci78:

Leica would have to redesign its lens. Summilux-Q at 26mm has severe distortions and totally black corners. Hence the permanent crop to 28mm and software corrections. 

I once compared the field of view of the Leica XVario and the Q. The Q image was clearly larger. Of course both are corrected, and why not, everybody does it. I don‘t see why 2 mm would make any difference worth the development cost.

[nicci78]

Because Q2 Monochrom just shows that current Summilux-Q 28mm is not sharp enough for über high acuity of a Monochrom sensor. 
I guess that 60MP Q3 will need a newer lens. 

Just look at Ricoh GR series. GR III needed a brand new lens to support 24MP up from 16MP. 
Even Fujifilm has to improve the lens of X100V for its 26MP. 

60MP will be a huge jump from Q 24MP. Still sufficient for 47MP colour sensor. But not enough for 47MP Monochrom.

That’s why I would love a newer lens for Q3. 
 

BTW : Q and Q2 being Leica’s best selling digital cameras of all time. Their Summilux-Q 28mm R&D costs have been paid for long ago. 

[Olaf_ZG]

10 hours ago, nicci78 said:

 

Just look at Ricoh GR series. GR III needed a brand new lens to support 24MP up from 16MP. 
 

I had the GRi and did not liked its IQ. With the raves of the GRiii I bought the GRiiix when it came out.

 I still don’t like IQ, and lens is terrible. I should not have bought it, my bad.

that said, it is the only real pocketable camera, and that’s why I don’t sell it yet.

 

[hdmesa]

On 2/14/2022 at 2:30 AM, nicci78 said:

Because Q2 Monochrom just shows that current Summilux-Q 28mm is not sharp enough for über high acuity of a Monochrom sensor. 
I guess that 60MP Q3 will need a newer lens. 

Just look at Ricoh GR series. GR III needed a brand new lens to support 24MP up from 16MP. 
Even Fujifilm has to improve the lens of X100V for its 26MP. 

60MP will be a huge jump from Q 24MP. Still sufficient for 47MP colour sensor. But not enough for 47MP Monochrom.

That’s why I would love a newer lens for Q3. 
 

BTW : Q and Q2 being Leica’s best selling digital cameras of all time. Their Summilux-Q 28mm R&D costs have been paid for long ago. 

The current Q2 lens is insanely sharp on the Q2M at all distances – even f/1.7 at infinity. It only falls short in the far corners at infinity, but that was also true of it on the original Q sensor.

That said, I will not complain if they improve the corner performance for a 60mp Q3. I think that would be welcome and wise.

[Pelu2010]

I have a wish. 

I wish a new designed Grip but with real multifunctions. 

1. Connectivity to the computer (USBC port) and pls ad the function of using an external monitor with this usbc

2. Audio in and out for video 

3. 1 or 2 extra buttons for fn possibilities 

4. And if they get wild a push-wheel 

Then the camera can stay as is (chip sensor and other suggestions aside) 

😉

 

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[acg69]

What do you make of the following? It appeared in a facebook Q/Q2 group earlier today:

News from an independent dealer here in the UK regarding the Q3:

"The Leica Q3 pre-release info was a 'Dealer Embargo' update on Feb 14th; the official press & public announcement won't follow until Leica can confirm the launch date and availability for the new camera, which is expected to be sometime in March for release in June or July. The Q2 is currently in good supply and in stock at all dealers - to help dealers clear their stocks before the new camera is announced, they are now all receiving a promotional rebate / sales incentive of £500 from Leica for each camera they sell, which they can offer to their buyers as a discount, but they're not allowed to lower their advertised price until the official announcement of the Q3 is made."

In other words, if you're interested in a Q2 now, negotiate your price!

[Le Chef]

You would only offer a discount if you thought the Q2 wasn't selling. No need to just give money away. Why not wait until September and time the Q3's in store availability for the Holidays?