j. borger Posted September 4, 2007 Share #21 Posted September 4, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) Perhaps i am missing the point ... but why would somebody who uses a 35 lux pre-asph ( (a wonderful small and fast lens btw) 85% of the time..... for streetwork and low light mainly want a WATE instead ....... the Wate is the worst possible choice if you ask me if he wants to continue the same type of photography ... The wate is too wide for streetphotography.... and if you want to use it for that too large to put in peoples faces .... yes you have to get that close to make even the long end of 21mm work for streetphotography .... above that for low light it's way too slow ..... so why a Wate ....... because the price is "right" at around $4000 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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luigi bertolotti Posted September 4, 2007 Share #22 Posted September 4, 2007 Uhm, the insurance issue is intriguing and, IMHO, central to the choice... IF, really, they PAY for M8 plus a LEICA lens of your choice.. well I can understand the dealer advices for the WATE... is the most costly ! But insurers are usually keen on money questions... I'd suspect they would have something to say about a WATE... If they'd pay for a lens "similar" to the stolen one, and given that you used mostly 35 on M6, the answer is simple : 28 ! and so better if it can be a Summicron, otherwise the 2,8 ASPH is surely excellent. BUT if insurers agree on "M8= X money, Leica 28= Y money , here's to you X+Y" ... well, 2 or 3 Voigt (15 35 75) are a smart choice... then you'll buy your Leica 28 by yourself... and have also the 50... a focal that anyway is something strange on M8... doesn't worth the coding, anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
carstenw Posted September 4, 2007 Share #23 Posted September 4, 2007 The Noctilux is by far the most costly, so on that basis, order that. However, I doubt that's how the insurance phrased it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom0511 Posted September 5, 2007 Share #24 Posted September 5, 2007 If the insurance pays ONE LENS and if you would want more than 1 lens then I would take the wate because it has a hi value. If the insurance pays a certain amount I would, if you were happy with the 35+90 on film, go for 28mm, either a TE if you do not need speed, or a 28/2.0 if you need speed, or maybe also a Zeiss or cv if price is critical. Personally I allways liked 35+90 on film, later 21,35,90. With the M8 my most used focal length are 28 and 50, and lately also 90. All three to me lead to a very natural perspective and "look" , the images seem to look the way I saw the scene. The 24 allready looks a little bit wider, something in between. If I want a wider, more dramatic look I usually prefer something between 15 and 21mm instead of 24. So, while the 24 draws with saturated colors and great sharpness and detail, its for me just a lens, which is not really wide but also not really a normal (on M8-crop). My vote is for the 28/2.0 which will be a great set with the 50 you can access. cheers, Tom Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael_b_elmer Posted September 5, 2007 Share #25 Posted September 5, 2007 Like J. Borger my advice is to get the lens that for you feels closest to the 35/1.4 that you liked so much. Try the excellent 35/1.4 asph to see if you still like this lens even with the crop factor of 1.3. If you want something wider, the 28/2.0 Asph is certainly a great lens, which is very close to the 35/1.4 asph in picture quality, but in my opinion the 24/2.8 asph is even more remarkable and perhaps more to your liking if you seek the wide angle look of the 35 lens on the M6. So, try these 3 lenses on your M8, before making your decision and stick to Leica quality! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larwol Posted September 5, 2007 Author Share #26 Posted September 5, 2007 Thanks very much for all the insightful feedback. Based upon what you all have said, I will definitely steer away from the WATE and towards what I had in the past (to start). To clear up the insurance issue: I have replacement value, so the insurance company will give me the value of what it will take to replace (with a new version) the exact lenses and camera I had (or the closest if that particular item is no longer produced). So, based upon estimates from two camera stores, that works out to around $10,500 Canadian which I can then put toward whatever items I want (but I cannot take the cash). As far as I know, most people who have household insurance (In Canada anyway) have this type of policy Larry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted September 5, 2007 Share #27 Posted September 5, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) Thanks very much for all the insightful feedback. Based upon what you all have said, I will definitely steer away from the WATE and towards what I had in the past (to start). To clear up the insurance issue: I have replacement value, so the insurance company will give me the value of what it will take to replace (with a new version) the exact lenses and camera I had (or the closest if that particular item is no longer produced). So, based upon estimates from two camera stores, that works out to around $10,500 Canadian which I can then put toward whatever items I want (but I cannot take the cash).As far as I know, most people who have household insurance (In Canada anyway) have this type of policy Larry Ok, policy seems clear: insurance pays the dealer's bill for a certain top amount... I'd say it's anyway a pity not to have at least an original lens on a brand new M8... so 28 2,8 Asph + something else depending on the total $... is there money space for a Cron 75 ? Don't have idea of the CAN prices, but if you'd have to add something from your pockets, it hasn't to be much... and have a wonderful pair... or the 'Cron 28 if you evaluate a lot 1 stop more (do not forget that with M8 is SO EASY to switch from 160 to 320 ASA...), plus 1 or 2 Voigt... but generally I'd suggest you a pair of originals.. for obvious reasons, when, after some time, you'll go for buying a 3rd lens is EASIER to decide for a Voigt having already a fine original pair. Finally, if insurers can wait a little (usually they are happy to do so ) ... wait for the new Summarits... could happen that you can get paid, say, 28 + 35 + 75... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
guidomo Posted September 6, 2007 Share #28 Posted September 6, 2007 Finally, if insurers can wait a little (usually they are happy to do so ) ... wait for the new Summarits... could happen that you can get paid, say, 28 + 35 + 75... There will not (now) be a 28 Summarit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted September 6, 2007 Share #29 Posted September 6, 2007 There will not (now) be a 28 Summarit. I know.. I intended that for the prospected amount of $, or with a little add-on from his pocket, maybe our friend could get the 28 2,8 asph plus a pair of Summarits... it seems even that you'll have a discount when buy 2 or 3... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted September 6, 2007 Share #30 Posted September 6, 2007 Seems clear to me you should go for the 28mm Summicron, the widest f2 lens and similar angle of view to the 35 you use most. The WATE is looking increasingly over-priced, especially since the "zoom" ratio is a modest 1.31:1. For many people looking to shoot wide, something like a Zeiss 18/4 meets their needs and I feel sure we'll see something from Leica in due course. The Summarits go down to 35mm; then we have the 28mm Elmarit and I expect one or more wider Elmars to provide wide angle options at a more affordable price. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted September 6, 2007 Share #31 Posted September 6, 2007 There will not (now) be a 28 Summarit. Well, the Elmarit 28/2.8 asph could be regarded as being of that class. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
guidomo Posted September 6, 2007 Share #32 Posted September 6, 2007 Well, the Elmarit 28/2.8 asph could be regarded as being of that class. Sure, except of course that (2.5 neq 2.8) & (asph neq sph) I just thought I'd point out that you cannot buy a 28+35+75 triplet of Summarits at a discounted price (which is what I understood Luigi to be hinting at). Anyway, given the circumstances I'd also be inclined to suggest the 28/2.0 asph. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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