Will there be another D?

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Around the time M10-D was discontinued there was a murmur that it was the last screenless Leica.  I don’t recall how reasonable that rumor was.  However, M10-D had become exceedingly rare.  What do we make of it?  Does it confirm the rumor?  If you are a fan of screenless Leicas, would you try to get an M10-D now?

[NigelG]

Yes 😉

[a.noctilux]

😁 NO.

 

😉perhaps

why not 😇

[Tailwagger]

Maybe...  but will it have IBIS?!?! 🤣 

[NigelG]

If you follow the M11-D thread there are lots of opinions.
IMHO I would want the next/last/“if ever” screenless-M to be nearer the M-Edition 60 / M-D 262 concept than the M10-D. 

[grahamc]

I love D's and have the 262 and 10-D as my only digital M's .  Keep meaning to sell one of them but hard to part with - and we all need a spare camera, right ? 

I love the simplicity of the Type 262 and agree with the 'purist' reasons why people love it.

I don't use (or particularly like the addition of) the less-purist features of the 10-D such as wifi and the app, however I do really love the thinner form factor as-well as the shutter, so it is my daily drive.

I suppose it is anyone's guess whether we see an 11-D but maybe I should keep them both for now in case we don't

 

Edited October 5, 2021 by grahamc

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49 minutes ago, grahamc said:

I suppose it is anyone's guess whether we see an 11-D but maybe I should keep them both for now in case we don't

I have the Edition 60 that has started the whole Leica addiction for me.  I couldn’t afford it when it came out, so my first Leica was the original M10, eventually upgraded to M10R (many Leicas after), and I got the Edition 60 after that.  Now the question is whether to get the M10-D in case it’s the last one…. But after the M10R it’s harder to justify.

[evikne]

I hope the rumor isn't true. But I'll wait and see if there comes an M11-D. If not, I'll maybe look around for an M10-D.

"Unfortunately", Leica is likely to create many new temptations (with screen) in the future. If I can't resist, some sort of solution would be to buy a half case that covers the screen. 😄

[AndreasG]

After more than 30 years with several film M Leicas the M10-D was my first digital Leica, which I like for its handling and appearance so close to the film Ms. If it eventually breaks beyond repair and no other/new D was available, I most probably switch to a Japanese brand that accepts my M lenses.

[Guest]

To say I "don't care" would be a bit trite and too simplistic, but honestly it matters very little to me whether Leica does come out with a M11-D or not........or even, come to that, a M11 in whatever new form or variants that may appear sooner or later .

I have reached the stage where upgrading from the M10 form and function is a waste of time and money for my camera usage, what I presently own is way good enough for my needs regarding a digital M. Resolution of 24mp is fine and I have prints of up to 100cm to prove that, A2 being my normal print size. Sure there are more than a few things about the M10-D that continue to annoy me and have done so since I bought the camera, but happily these quirks I can ignore without detriment to the camera's use,  ( i.e.:Fotos...stupid ).

What is important to me however is that Leica continues to thrive and yes innovate too even given my lack of interest in continuing to upgrade. I, we, need Leica to survive if only so it can continue with the servicing of it's existing camera lines, that's what's important to me, not whatever new bells and whistles will be coming along next. My analogue M's have more value to me than their digital brethren, and I suspect a far longer useful lifespan. 

[evikne]

I just saw an interview with Dr. Andreas Kaufmann, and unfortunately he did not give the impression of being particularly enthusiastic about the M10-D. I'm afraid if it's up to him, we will not see its successor.

https://youtu.be/iQqmregxhbQ?t=3327

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17 hours ago, evikne said:

I just saw an interview with Dr. Andreas Kaufmann, and unfortunately he did not give the impression of being particularly enthusiastic about the M10-D

I saw it too and think this is his way to say he likes it.:). First of all, the M10-D was not the first screenless Leica, so when Dr Kaufmann talks about hearing it for the first time, he probably means the Edition 60 -- which became the star 60th anniversary of M3 (and the papers for those are signed by him).  The M-D that followed was a mainstream version of that, so that might be also what he meant by "the D".

[fenykepesz]

i very much hope that there will be another M*-D at some point in the future, perhaps as an M11-D in 2-3 years from now.

my M10-D is an amazing workhorse  - even as mine is right now a bit broken though still functional enough to take pictures.  i agree with petermullett that we should be concerned about future tech/service support by Leica for years from now, considering how short lived today's digital products are.  in that respect we will see how/if my current electronic hardware problem will be solved in Wetzlar... !

regarding a wish list here my items for a new slim screenless M11-D :

- a power switch built into the "advance lever"

- a much faster camera boot time, with quasi immediate responsiveness

- a modern 24MB (or higher) sensor with ISO truly starting at around 50 and signal depth of 16 bit

- a simple way to update/synchronize camera date/time (think about trips!)

- a builtin sensor cleaning capability ?

- and last, what about a hybrid VF/EVF with information superimposed on demand (pressing some button) for picture specs and focus peaking, similar to what they do in jet cockpits ?  is that technically that hard ?  though i assume that switching lenses is not a trivial situation for correctly mapping VF and EVF coordinate systems.

 

[sebben]

I love my M10D, the only way they could really improve it is to remove some of the unnecessary dials and a better sensor. Perhaps the Sony 24 one from the SL2-S which is better than the the M10R one correct? USB - C charging would be nice, at least the batteries so that I don't need to carry an extra charger around. 

[Datsch]

Just to clarify, some sales estimates:

M60       600

M-D        1500

M10-D   2000

So we see a clear upward trend in interest and demand for the screenless M over the years.

It has considerable iconic value and is one of the most talked-about Leicas.

It really is the about essentials, and when the screen is gone, so much distraction is pared away and attention is soley on framing, focus and exposure.

 

[evikne]

To discontinue it would be a big mistake.

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14 minutes ago, evikne said:

To discontinue it would be a big mistake.

....but the M10-D has been discontinued, really it's all about numbers and dependant on whether Leica has the manufacturing capacity for another model variation production line. My guess is that with the relatively small increase in sales with the M10-D over the previous "D's" there's not enough there to warrant another M(put your number here)-D. Sad because yes it's a unique and wonderful M despite it's quirks, so if you have one hold onto it until either you or the camera topples off the perch.

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1 minute ago, petermullett said:

....but the M10-D has been discontinued, really it's all about numbers and dependant on whether Leica has the manufacturing capacity for another model variation production line. My guess is that with the relatively small increase in sales with the M10-D over the previous "D's" there's not enough there to warrant another M(put your number here)-D. Sad because yes it's a unique and wonderful M despite it's quirks, so if you have one hold onto it until either you or the camera topples off the perch.

I know the M10-D is discontinued. I meant the entire D series. Sorry if it wasn't clear enough.

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On 10/9/2021 at 4:33 PM, Steven said:

In my opinion it is miles nice, but that probably deserves a thread of its own. 

Yes, if there was one with that sensor that would be the M I would be interested in...............

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[Yarosuav]

I do hope they discontinue the whole D idea, and focus their (limited) resources on things people actually want: better supply of newly released items, refreshed lens line-up, etc.

The entire Summilux line (pretty much) needs a refresh with close focusing and ideally APO. And where’s my 35mm Noctilux???