Who wants to see a Voigtlander 50mm Ultron?

[Popee]

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Cosina Viogtlander have a rather large selection of M mount lenses to choose from now.

I only shoot 35/50mm so only really aware of that lineup.

For 35mm we have the F1.2/1.4 Nokton, F2 Ultron, F2 APO and F2.5 Skopar.

For 50mm we have the  F1.2/F1.5 Nokton, F2 APO and more recently the F1.5 Heliar Classic. 
 

Are you interested and/or you think we will see an 50mm Ultron? 

Edited October 2, 2021 by Popee
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[LarsHP]

I don't see what a 50mm Ultron would add to the lineup.

[Popee]

2 minutes ago, LarsHP said:

I don't see what a 50mm Ultron would add to the lineup.

Just a very compact and sharp 50mm, although the Nokton F1.5 is fairly compact and sharp already.

[wlewisiii]

I have the Nokton 50/1.5 LTM and really can't see how an Ultron would provide anything more that what I have already. 

Now if I could get something like the Summitar? Crazy bokeh wide open and sharp & well behaved when stopped down? That would be a good tool to have alongside the fast but almost boringly well behaved Nokton  

[Marac]

1 minute ago, wlewisiii said:

I have the Nokton 50/1.5 LTM and really can't see how an Ultron would provide anything more that what I have already. 

Now if I could get something like the Summitar? Crazy bokeh wide open and sharp & well behaved when stopped down? That would be a good tool to have alongside the fast but almost boringly well behaved Nokton  

The original Nokton f1.1 with a bit of electrical tape on the camber was always a freaky alternative

[oldwino]

3 hours ago, wlewisiii said:

I have the Nokton 50/1.5 LTM and really can't see how an Ultron would provide anything more that what I have already. 

Now if I could get something like the Summitar? Crazy bokeh wide open and sharp & well behaved when stopped down? That would be a good tool to have alongside the fast but almost boringly well behaved Nokton  

I think the new Heliar 50 is supposed to fill that gap.

[Simone_DF]

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I think they should focus on more neglected focal lenghts. Maybe they could expand their 28mm lineup with a skopar or nokton version

[LarsHP]

37 minutes ago, Simone_DF said:

I think they should focus on more neglected focal lenghts. Maybe they could expand their 28mm lineup with a skopar or nokton version

Yes, and amen to that! I would love to get a new, well-designed 90mm f/2 Apo-Lanthar in M mount. One with zero bokeh fringing aka LoCA nowadays.

[LarsHP]

8 hours ago, Popee said:

Just a very compact and sharp 50mm, although the Nokton F1.5 is fairly compact and sharp already.

That would be a Skopar, I think. The Ultron designation is used for quite fast, but slower than Nokton, lenses.

Edited October 2, 2021 by LarsHP

[Simone_DF]

42 minutes ago, LarsHP said:

Yes, and amen to that! I would love to get a new, well-designed 90mm f/2 Apo-Lanthar in M mount. One with zero bokeh fringing aka LoCA nowadays.

I don't think we'll see one. Hirofumi Kobayashi (president of Cosina Voigtlander), thinks 75mm is the longest usable lens on a rangefinder. 

[lct]

A compact 50/2 with the same character as the CV 35/2 would interest me certainly. Voigtlander used to make a collapsible Heliar 50/2 in the past if memory serves. 

[adan]

9 hours ago, Simone_DF said:

I don't think we'll see one. Hirofumi Kobayashi (president of Cosina Voigtlander), thinks 75mm is the longest usable lens on a rangefinder. 

True, that.

However, that was back in C/V's screw-mount era (and even then they put out a 90mm f/3.5 - the first C/V lens-for-Leica to bear the "APO-Lanthar" label). And when C/V was making their own cameras, with a shorter RF base-length (less focus precision).

If C/V is now willing to risk a 75mm f/1.5 for M, they might be open to a 90 f/1.8 (they do love those extra 10ths of a stop - oh, and it should weigh 395g ), and maybe a 135 f/3.5 APO-Lanthar. Given the clarity of the 75 at f/1.5, I'd like to see what they could do.

[aristotle]

Interesting take on a new 50 Heliar...  "vintage image quality".  Bigger and heavier than other 50s in their lineup, including the f3.5 Heliar...

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1661558-REG/voigtlander_ba368a_heliar_classic_50mm_f1_5.html

 

[LarsHP]

17 hours ago, Simone_DF said:

I don't think we'll see one. Hirofumi Kobayashi (president of Cosina Voigtlander), thinks 75mm is the longest usable lens on a rangefinder. 

As @adan already mentioned, Voigtländer already made the 90mm f/3.5 Apo-Lanthar in LTM. Today, given digital RF cameras with EVF, and that Voigtländer has made Nokton 50mm in f/1.1 and f/1.2 versions as well as the Nokton 75mm f/1.5, I do expect that an Apo-Lanthar 90mm f/2 is probable in the near future. There are of course no indications that they will at present, though, but I do hope it.

[lct]

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[BradS]

I'd like to see a modern 50mm Ultron in M mount. Seems like f/2 would be about right. It should be compact, relatively light weight and be extremely well behaved. In keeping with the current trend, CV should demonstrate to Leica how to make a better 50mm Summicron at a third of the price...

Edited October 3, 2021 by BradS

[astrostl]

It's really unclear to me what the difference might be between it and a Nokton 50/1.5 II shot at f/2.

[Martin B]

Likely this won't happen since not much money can potentially made for Cosina from a 50/2 M-lens. There are plenty of alternatives both vintage and modern in the 50 mm focal length, and more trendy designs go either faster (like the CV 50/1.2) or into the APO direction with the CV 50/2 APO-Lanthar. An additional 50/2 Ultron would also give more in-house competition with these newer lenses. 

A used Leica 50/2 Summicron pre-ASPH lens is about $1K for a more modern look, for more vintage look the Leica 50/2 Summitar lens ($400-500) is a good option. 

This said, I wouldn't mind a CV 50/2 since more options are always good for the consumer. But I doubt this will come to fruition in this case.

[lct]

I'm missing a modern compact Summicron sort of. A Summicron 50/2 v4 with the same acutance as the Ultron 35/2 so to speak. Or a collapsible 50/2 recalling of the Summicron v1 with a modern character.  I'm not aware of any 50/2 lens like this aside from the Summicron 50/2 apo but it is not a compact lens that much, let alone the larger Apo-Lanthar. 

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[BradS]

On 10/3/2021 at 11:23 AM, lct said:

I'm missing a modern compact Summicron ..... a collapsible 50/2 recalling of the Summicron v1 with a modern character.....

YES!

I would love to have a modern 50mm Summicron collapsible. Same look and feel as the ca. 1957 collapsible Summicron with modern optics and without the infinity lock.

Please, please...PLEASE Cosina, make it so.

Edited October 6, 2021 by BradS
to shorten the quoted part a little bit