NoctiGirl Video

[trickness]

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24 minutes ago, steve 1959 said:

I thought it was a good history of the noctilux followed by a technical comparison of each version,technical reviews are valid as are real world usage of a lens in a review which you prefer

Not many own all the noctilux versions even in leica land to do real world comparison and this type of channel may just appeal to younger people and spark an interest from them.

There is a youtube channel by "the guam photographer" that does some good real world portrait shoots with lovely models and he has done some noctilux comparisons with similar voigtlander lenses but both types of review have their place in my opinion.

 

Totally get that perspective - technical reviews are absolutely valid. That’s why I subscribe to Reid Reviews, and also read Jono Slack’s reviews which are a bit more an intersection of technical with real world use

Edited September 2, 2021 by trickness

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[david strachan]

Just a straight forward, and good enough, analysis of the Noctiluxes.

Why not a bit of enthusiasm.  Just worked for me, showed the differences very well.

Of course if you buy one you'd want to consider many things...not the least a trial period vs all up cost.

I think it's a specialist lens used well by a few people. Particularly here on the Forum...lots of good and bad images.

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[laowai_]

On 9/1/2021 at 4:33 PM, trickness said:

Just curious what you find good about it? 

I personally don't find value in videos that focus a lot on specs and MTF charts, resolution pixel peeps, etc. None of that shows the personality of a lens like some real world photos taken by someone who knows how to compose a picture. If I had the pleasure of those three lenses in my possession for a weekend, I'd go do some real world shooting in not only low light, but daylight, indoors, nature, portraits, to really understand the true nature of the lenses and what would work best for me in my creative pursuits. 

So many of these "review" videos seem to focus so very little on what the lenses were actually made to do - and I think it is obvious why that is so. It is far easier to reel off specs and show charts and pixel peep than it is to produce a photograph with any artistic merit. Sometimes I wish we lived in a world where all reviewers were required to post links to their own work, so you could have better insight into the merit of their opinions.....which I guess is why I don't make YouTube gear review videos 😆

 

 

 

Yes, the ‘feature vs. benefit’ corundum.
There’s a whole industry built around that. 

In the old days you talked about features and customs figured out the benefits by themselves. Today features matter very little, but you need to spell out the benefits. 

[pgk]

1 hour ago, laowai_ said:

Yes, the ‘feature vs. benefit’ corundum.
There’s a whole industry built around that. 

Perhaps I'm cynical, but it does seem to me that most of the 'industry' is made up of self-proclaimed 'experts' and we have little, if any, idea of their competence. 

[trickness]

2 hours ago, laowai_ said:

Yes, the ‘feature vs. benefit’ corundum.
There’s a whole industry built around that. 

In the old days you talked about features and customs figured out the benefits by themselves. Today features matter very little, but you need to spell out the benefits. 

If you think of all the fantastic photographs throughout history that are truly memorable, the vast majority of them are about the content, not the underlying technology. A 100 megapixel image is not inherently better simply because it has more resolution, any more than a blurry photograph is inherently worse because it lacks sharpness.

i’ve never looked at an image by Cartier Bresson or Eugene Smith and thought, “wow, that’s really sharp!” or what “fantastic microcontrast that lens he is using has” - certainly technical innovations have enabled us to get photographs that would not be possible with the tools of yesteryear, but every time I start lusting for the latest M upgrade, I look at the M gallery on LFI and see incredible photographs taken with M8 bodies. It’s the snapper, not the tool…

Along those lines I took several online courses with Magnum this year, as I felt like the photographer needed an upgrade more than the camera 🤣

Edited September 3, 2021 by trickness

[Jon Warwick]

16 hours ago, trickness said:

If you think of all the fantastic photographs throughout history that are truly memorable, the vast majority of them are about the content, not the underlying technology. A 100 megapixel image is not inherently better simply because it has more resolution, any more than a blurry photograph is inherently worse because it lacks sharpness.

i’ve never looked at an image by Cartier Bresson or Eugene Smith and thought, “wow, that’s really sharp!” or what “fantastic microcontrast that lens he is using has” - certainly technical innovations have enabled us to get photographs that would not be possible with the tools of yesteryear, but every time I start lusting for the latest M upgrade, I look at the M gallery on LFI and see incredible photographs taken with M8 bodies. It’s the snapper, not the tool…

Along those lines I took several online courses with Magnum this year, as I felt like the photographer needed an upgrade more than the camera 🤣

I don't really disagree with any of that. I do think many are obsessed with digital resolution for no great rationale (ie, really, ask oneself what's the point of > 24 megapixel, if all one does is viewing on screen, or max print size is around 20"?? .....24mp is already natively sufficient for that print size with no resampling whatsoever ....).  

But I do think high resolution remains important if its attribute is required for the output's look as desired by the artist; otherwise, we ought to say that there was no inherent benefit to people using higher resolution 4x5" or 8x10" over little ol' 35mm, and I don't think that's the case at all for (just one example) Richard Avedon's large scale portraits. 

Edited September 4, 2021 by Jon Warwick