Leica M 75 Summilux or 50 noctilux f/1.0

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17 hours ago, FrankA said:

If you could only choose one which would it be?

The choice I've already made - 75mm Summilux. Had a Noctlux and wasn't impressed at all. But its a personal decision and each of us is different.

[Capuccino-Muffin]

1 hour ago, a.noctilux said:

Same lens diagram and glasses for the long life of it, again kind of miracle when we know that the Nocti glass 1.9 was very difficult to manufacture.

https://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-wiki.en/index.php/50mm_f/1_Noctilux-M

1975-2005 , 17535 'same lenses' 😇 with different mechanisms 11821/11822/11603.

 

Even some users can see that the first E58 IS better (how ?) than the followers, I would not say that as E58 long user and tried some other newer Noctilux 1.0.

 

Some discussions, here

and here also ...

Now guys please make up your mind: you refer to people saying the v1 58mm filter thread is better, others will say the v4 is better... which obviously is all hogwash. 

The person selling his noctilux will undoubtedly say that his is the very best version.

Another thing, if one is to judge the BW rendition of a lens, film shall be used. No digital BW can be considered.

At last, yes, the coating can play a role and that’s to be judged with color photography, not BW.

There is way too much hogwash being repeated on the internet.

 

 

 

Edited August 30, 2021 by Capuccino-Muffin

[didier]

Maybe you could consider your choice depending on which Lens / focal Lens you use most and own, to know what you need / you’d be comfortable with.

I’ve had the ‘lux 75 for over 15 years. Since I had it cla’d and coded in Wetzlar it gives me amazing results on digital M and SL.

It is one of my least used Lenses but one i will never sell. Great bokeh and transition from plane of focus, amazing both in color and B&W. Got my best portraits with it !

I enjoy it more than my .95 noct.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[IkarusJohn]

One consideration, though perhaps not so much with the SL2, is that the 75 Summilux does have the focus shift the f/1 Noctilux has.  @MarkP, have you noticed this?  I was lined up to buy a version IV f/1 Noct from Ken Hansen a few years ago (despite the $8,000 price tag0, but focus shift killed it for me.

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Maybe you could consider your choice depending on which Lens / focal Lens you use most and own, to know what you need / you’d be comfortable with.

I’ve had the ‘lux 75 for over 15 years. Since I had it cla’d and coded in Wetzlar it gives me amazing results on digital M and SL.

It is one of my least used Lenses but one i will never sell. Great bokeh and transition from plane of focus, amazing both in color and B&W. Got my best portraits with it !

I enjoy it more than my .95 noct.

+1

Edited August 30, 2021 by IkarusJohn

[Hanno]

4 hours ago, Capuccino-Muffin said:

I’m always baffled by these kinds of statements.Noctilux f1.0 version I, II or III will not do? What’s the diff? 
Myy guess is there is absolutely no difference. Especially not for B&W.

I don’t know about you, but personally I prefer to talk about what I know, which may be a difference between us as you seem to prefer guessing. You see I don’t own all 4 versions so I talked about the version I owned which is also the one the OP is specifically considering buying. I am baffled by you being baffled. There is no limit sometimes to comment for commenting…

Edited August 30, 2021 by Hanno

[Capuccino-Muffin]

10 minutes ago, Hanno said:

I don’t know about you, but personally I prefer to talk about what I know, which may be a difference between us as you seem to prefer guessing. You see I don’t own all 4 versions so I talked about the version I owned. I am baffled by you being baffled. There is no limit sometimes to comment for commenting…

How can you say that one version is best if you haven’t tested it against other versions? I’m baffled that you are baffled that I’m baffled by the fact that you place the only version that you own above all the others that you do not own. Sounds more like magical thinking to me. 

Words are only words,  your input would be tremendous if you could please post your test shots.

Edited August 30, 2021 by Capuccino-Muffin

[Hanno]

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Just now, Capuccino-Muffin said:

How can you say that one version is best if you haven’t tested it against other versions?

Words are only words,  your input would be tremendous if you could please post your test shots.

Some people can be thick, no? I never talked about the other versions and I never said one was better than another one, for the simple reason that I don’t own the other versions. Is English not your language? Let me know as I will try to make it clearer next time just for you. I won’t reply any further, as this thread is not about this nor your need to comment or troll. Thanks for you amazing input.

[Herr Barnack]

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Leica M 75 Summilux or 50 noctilux f/1.0

I have never owned or shot with the 75 Summilux, so I can't comment on that lens. 

I do have a 50mm f/1.0 Noctilux which has given me some great images over the years, so my answer to the question is "50 Noctilux f/1.0."

I don't long for the 75 Summilux, since I have a 90  Summicron APO which will do more or less what the 75 Summilux will do.

Edited August 30, 2021 by Herr Barnack

[egrossman]

22 hours ago, FrankA said:

If you could only choose one which would it be?   I can get one or the other in great shape.  The 50 is version 4 and the 75 is version two German.  I understand the difference in focal length.  I will use either lens for its strengths.  They are very similar and are great examples of Mandler’s genius. I don’t need both.  I am leaning towards the 50.  The lens I get will be used on an SL2 and maybe an M9.  Thanks for your consideration.  

I'm in a fortunate situation to own both the 75mm Summilux (German) and the 50mm Noctilux V4 f/1. Both of my copies are very good; both were 6-bit coded at the factory and as a result adjusted for digital. I also happen to own the 50mm APO Summicron which I thought I would include just for comparison purposes. These 3 pictures were shot wide open and no adjustments were made other than shutter speed to account for the difference in apertures. No adjustments were made in Lightroom. These photos were shot at ISO 400 on an M10D. The focus point for all 3 was the red rose in front.

My absolute favorite lens is my 75mm Summilux. The rendering of the Noctilux (as others have said) is very similar. The APO is just... razor sharp!

I hope t his helps.

Erik

75mm Summilux @ f1.4

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50mm Noctilux V4 @ f1.0

50mm APO-Summicron @f/2

[NigelG]

I confess I have owned at the same time the 50 Noctilux f1.0 (version 3 - 6 bit coded +  digital adjusted) , 50 Noctilux f0.95  and 75 Summilux f1.4 (again 6 bit coded + digital adjusted)...

I currently only own the 50 Noctilux f1.0

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[padam]

All I can say is that the 75/1.4 v3 was nearly impossible to focus accurately on a rangefinder, but almost perfect on the SL2 (sorry, can't share images for now) and the German version (which I think is v3, not v2) is more collectible anyway than a Noctilux so it should be an easy re-sale if you don't like it.
I think a 35 on an M9 and the 75 on the SL2 would work very well together.

Edited August 31, 2021 by padam

[didier]

4 hours ago, padam said:

the 75/1.4 v3 was nearly impossible to focus accurately on a rangefinder

The 1.4 magnifier on the M10M turns out to be a good solution to improve my focusing ability with the ‘lux 75 (and noct .95 by the way)

[Herr Barnack]

18 hours ago, NigelG said:

I confess I have owned at the same time the 50 Noctilux f1.0 (version 3 - 6 bit coded +  digital adjusted) , 50 Noctilux f0.95  and 75 Summilux f1.4 (again 6 bit coded + digital adjusted)...

I currently only own the 50 Noctilux f1.0

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I have the 50/1.0 #11882 (4th gen.). 

It doesn't get a lot of use but I'm going to hang no to it, since I have sold/traded M lenses in the past and ended up regretting it.  I'm tired of hitting myself in the head with that particular iron skillet. 😵

[egrossman]

I decided to repeat the exercise today this time with the M10 Monochrom. Here are 3 sample images shot at ISO 800 all wide open on the 75mm Summilux, 50mm Noctilux (V4) and 50mm APO-Summicron. Unlike yesterday's samples, these were edited in Lightroom and Silver Efex because the images were underexposed to preserve the highlights and all very flat out of the camera.

Erik

75mm Summilux @ 1.4

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50mm Noctilux (V4) @ 1.050mm APO-Summicron @ 2.0Crop of the 75mm SummiluxCrop of the 50mm Noctilux (V4)Crop of the 50mm APO-Summicron Edited August 31, 2021 by egrossman

[newnew]

Taken with Lux 75 full open on M246

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6 hours ago, newnew said:

Taken with Lux 75 full open on M246

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Interesting. 

The M246 is a black and white only M... 🤔

Edited September 1, 2021 by Herr Barnack

[fabior]

i have the 58mm f1 version for more than 20 years and i don't think i will ever sell it. In recent years I have understood that the possibility of making images that remain in the heart to see them depends on many factors, the noctilux f1 is not enough. But when the light, the composition, the subject, the environment, etc  are all "aligned" the result with the noctilux f1 is magical, unique. I also have the summilux 80mm R that I use with the SL2 but I have always used it less and therefore I have had less satisfaction and therefore I cannot praise it as the noctilux; but this perhaps depends more on me than on the lens! I add that I also have the noctilux 0.95 and the reissue of the 1.2. My preference ranking at the moment sees 1.2 in first place .... which I almost always use .... I like it very much

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4 hours ago, Herr Barnack said:

The M246 is a black and white only M... 🤔

Thanks for reading the post with attention. I mixed up between my two cameras.🤣

[insideline]

On 9/1/2021 at 1:53 AM, fabior said:

i have the 58mm f1 version for more than 20 years and i don't think i will ever sell it. In recent years I have understood that the possibility of making images that remain in the heart to see them depends on many factors, the noctilux f1 is not enough. But when the light, the composition, the subject, the environment, etc  are all "aligned" the result with the noctilux f1 is magical, unique. I also have the summilux 80mm R that I use with the SL2 but I have always used it less and therefore I have had less satisfaction and therefore I cannot praise it as the noctilux; but this perhaps depends more on me than on the lens! I add that I also have the noctilux 0.95 and the reissue of the 1.2. My preference ranking at the moment sees 1.2 in first place .... which I almost always use .... I like it very much

I have owned my original E58 f1 Noctilux since new right out of high school, plus I inherited my Fathers 1968 f1.2 and I own a v3 f1 Noctilux, then second to last the .95, and last I managed to acquire two copies of the new 1.2 Noctilux. My evaluation is quite different than yours as I did not enjoy the remake 1.2 as wide open it is not as interesting as our original '68 1.2 but from f2 onwards it far outperforms the original. Yet when I compared all of these to my original E58 I chose this lens every time for its magic at every aperture but especially its very unique rendering wide open and unlike any of the others. I sold one copy of the new 1.2 and will keep the other just because, but the irony is the copy I sold is now on its 5th owner as no one enjoyed it enough to keep it. it will be interesting to get more feedback on this new lens when many more copies are in photographers hands. I do however love the size as its obviously the same as my original and much nicer to hold than any of the others even the E58, but I adore my E58 just as you seem to. 

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[Fedro]

I dont have the 50 1.0, but have the 75 Lux and I think it is a fabulous lens. To me it renders similarly to the 50 0.95 with a more classic bokeh

cant go wrong really