SL2 or M10 or wait for M11?

[Rodrigo castillo]

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Hi friends.  A few weeks ago I wrote a post called… should I sell my Rolex to buy a Leica M10R?  the post was very controversial, some called me a poor idiot, someone told me that if I had to sell something to buy a leica I should look for cheaper toys etc etc….  Anyway, that is not the issue, I have a Leica M9, an M3 and a CL (in addition to many other cameras of all types and formats), the question that has arisen is….  Now that I have sold my Rolex and have 10,000 in my hands, what should I do, Leica M10, Leica SL2, or wait for the M11 and sell my patek?  They will tell me that it depends on what I need….  it's obvious ….  but I want to hear what you guys would do….  it is not a theoretical question….  really from here to December I will buy a new leica….  I don't know which

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[Tailwagger]

First, what are you trying to achieve?  The M and SL2 have no more in common than a Cayenne and a 911.  Some of the ethos might be the same, but beyond that the point and experience is entirely different.  If the use case tilts in favor of the SL2, move ahead. 

If OTOH, the M comes out on top, then, personally, I'd wait. It would seem the 11 is only a few months off and rather than succumb to gas only to regret the decision a few month in, its worth waiting to see just what materializes and whether the advances in the new version are worth the (likely) higher cost.

[Rodrigo castillo]

56 minutes ago, Tailwagger said:

First, what are you trying to achieve?  The M and SL2 have no more in common than a Cayenne and a 911.  Some of the ethos might be the same, but beyond that the point and experience is entirely different.  If the use case tilts in favor of the SL2, move ahead. 

If OTOH, the M comes out on top, then, personally, I'd wait. It would seem the 11 is only a few months off and rather than succumb to gas only to regret the decision a few month in, its worth waiting to see just what materializes and whether the advances in the new version are worth the (likely) higher cost.

Well, I see that you are one of them… your opinion doesn’t help… next?

[Tailwagger]

9 minutes ago, Rodrigo castillo said:

Well, I see that you are one of them… your opinion doesn’t help… next?

Ahh... well now I see. Feel free to continue trolling. 

[Jeff S]

Not what I would do; rather what I did do. I bought an M10 and an SL2 (plus an M10 Monochrom) because they serve different purposes and offer very different features and experiences. Complementary systems for me. I knew what I wanted and needed; no forum survey required, and no watches involved.  
 

Jeff

[beewee]

I think this is the problem:

1 hour ago, Rodrigo castillo said:

Well, I see that you are one of them… your opinion doesn’t help… next?

@Tailwagger brought up legitimate points of consideration and you brushed him off like you knew better. Being an owner of both the M10 and the SL2-S, I can confirm @Tailwagger’s point:

1 hour ago, Tailwagger said:

The M and SL2 have no more in common than a Cayenne and a 911.  Some of the ethos might be the same, but beyond that the point and experience is entirely different.

The two cameras are similar in that they both can take M lenses and they both output DNGs. But from a shooting experience point of view, they are very different. 

@Rodrigo castillo if you provide some context of what you want out of your future purchase and you’re willing to actually consider the points from other users, you would actually gain something from this forum. Otherwise, if you’re just looking to confirm your own biases, then you won’t really gain insight.

[NigelG]

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If I’d sold a Rolex I would buy a Panerai Luminor Marina TuttoGrigio and then wait to see what the M11 brings...🤔

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Edited August 17, 2021 by NigelG

[Rodrigo castillo]

56 minutes ago, Tailwagger said:

Ahh... well now I see. Feel free to continue trolling. 

I am not trolling, I made a question … you are trolling 

[Rodrigo castillo]

3 minutes ago, NigelG said:

If I’d sold a Rolex I would buy a Panerai Luminor Marina TuttoGrigio and then wait to see what the M11 brings...🤔

https://www.panerai.com/us/en/collections/watch-collection/luminor/pam01662-luminor-marina---44mm.html

 

Well, I have one … sorry, I don’t want to be rude…. But I think that no one can understand the ironies …. Sorry …. My mistake 

[IkarusJohn]

2 hours ago, Rodrigo castillo said:

but I want to hear what you guys would do

M10-M, as you don't have the M9 Monochrom.  Easy.

[Rodrigo castillo]

7 minutes ago, beewee said:

I think this is the problem:

@Tailwagger brought up legitimate points of consideration and you brushed him off like you knew better. Being an owner of both the M10 and the SL2-S, I can confirm @Tailwagger’s point:

The two cameras are similar in that they both can take M lenses and they both output DNGs. But from a shooting experience point of view, they are very different. 

@Rodrigo castillo if you provide some context of what you want out of your future purchase and you’re willing to actually consider the points from other users, you would actually gain something from this forum. Otherwise, if you’re just looking to confirm your own biases, then you won’t really gain insight.

Well, maybe you are right … and maybe the first words prevenme me to reading core Troy the rest 

[beewee]

8 minutes ago, NigelG said:

If I’d sold a Rolex I would buy a Panerai Luminor Marina TuttoGrigio and then wait to see what the M11 brings...🤔

https://www.panerai.com/us/en/collections/watch-collection/luminor/pam01662-luminor-marina---44mm.html

 

I would sell the Patek and retire - happily. 🙃

[Tailwagger]

 

13 minutes ago, Rodrigo castillo said:

I am not trolling, I made a question … you are trolling 

I beg to differ. Your question was at best questionable, but I tried to respond thoughtfully, anyway.  It would be quite difficult to assert the same of your response. One last little dose of reality for you.  Perhaps demand isn't as keen where you reside,  but if its anything like here, you're not already in line and the camera is indeed announced on 11/11, you wont have one in December, unless you're willing to sell another watch to cover the markup. I've been in the queue for the 11 since the day I picked up the 10-R, which was on day two of its release over a year ago. Even so, I may not have one before year's end. 

[NigelG]

34 minutes ago, Rodrigo castillo said:

Well, I have one … sorry, I don’t want to be rude…. But I think that no one can understand the ironies …. Sorry …. My mistake 

My point was that since the SL2 and the M10 are entirely different and the M11 is as of yet a complete unknown, having sold a watch one could only recommend buying a different one until we either knew why/how you preferred one camera over the another or what the M11 would offer...

(Watches being IMHO fundamentally rather closer in use/functionality/output than digital cameras)

Edited August 17, 2021 by NigelG

[meerec]

48 minutes ago, NigelG said:

If I’d sold a Rolex I would buy a Panerai Luminor Marina TuttoGrigio and then wait to see what the M11 brings...🤔

https://www.panerai.com/us/en/collections/watch-collection/luminor/pam01662-luminor-marina---44mm.html

 

I would do exactly same 🤪

[Ktsa5239]

I would never wait for something that may and may not come soon. And if I'm to chose again, I would go SL2 first with the 24-90mm lens. Its so flexible for a wide range of photography with absolutely stunning results. The only down side its the weight, bulk and not a rangefinder experience. However, I got used to the weight and bulk after a few weeks. Nothing will help the rangefinder experience though, so eventually you will still need to get the M10 for that. 

[Yarosuav]

At this point I'd wait for M11. Or if you're really itching, buy a second hand SL2 or M10 and use them while you wait for M11, you can then sell them with not much loss and get the M11 in November. 

[Cattoo]

I think Tailwagger's questions were appropriate, and well-intended.  I don't see how anyone could advise on which of two very different camera systems to buy into without knowing how you intend to use it.  What's your use case?  

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[IkarusJohn]

53 minutes ago, Cattoo said:

I think Tailwagger's questions were appropriate, and well-intended.  I don't see how anyone could advise on which of two very different camera systems to buy into without knowing how you intend to use it.  What's your use case?  

If you are unable to answer this question, here’s how I see the difference between the two systems:

• SL system - everything is bigger and heavier (no more so than comparable systems); a universal platform (will take all Leica and many other lenses with adapters); the SL lenses are truly the best in class, and pretty much the best lenses Leica makes; covers 16mm to 280mm; autofocus; generally fantastic with all current M lenses; really good EVF; great menu system, which is quickly intuitive; did I mention everything is bigger and heavier?
   
• M system - everything more compact and lighter; all essential settings on the camera with physical controls (particularly the M10-D); manual focus; aperture priority, if you want it; focal lengths 18-135 (28-90 best with the optical view finder); rangefinder; smaller battery.

This makes the M more contemplative, in my experience; but if you’re familiar with both, I find the M faster - you already have a sense of the ISO you want and have that set, you set the aperture, and if you’re in aperture priority, you just focus and shoot.  The SL pretty much does everything, including what the M does; the M system is more constrained, but that is its advantage.

Good luck deciding.  For myself, I liked the look of the M system, bought it, then learned its strengths and limitations.

John 

 

[Jon Warwick]

I think there have been some well-intentioned answers already. The difference between an M and SL2 is substantial. In my case, I decided not to buy the M10 because I personally didn’t think the image quality was anything spectacular, nor would I buy back the SL2 that I already sold because the GFX100S medium-format camera suddenly launched and the latter gave me everything that I wanted in terms of image quality from a digital mirrorless camera. This all brings me back to possibly looking at a theoretical M11 …..simply because I still like the M’s very small size as a system and rangefinder manual focus.

Edited August 18, 2021 by Jon Warwick