maitoparta Posted June 1, 2021 Share #181 Posted June 1, 2021 Advertisement (gone after registration) I could take "film look", but not a film camera, no way. Still very glad of digital cameras which liberated of all tyranny of film. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted June 1, 2021 Posted June 1, 2021 Hi maitoparta, Take a look here A film 'look' in the near future?. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
Einst_Stein Posted June 1, 2021 Share #182 Posted June 1, 2021 3 hours ago, jaapv said: Agree, but why not indulge people? After all, I live on the East side of the Atlantic. https://writingexplained.org/analog-vs-analogue-difference The signal from a sensor is analogue, and will only become digital after passing the ADC (Analog-Digital Converter) chip. Film works by activating Halide crystals, which is an on/off, AKA digital, situation. Your point about film is taken. It is counting the excited moleculars. But so is digital sensor . only that it counts the excited electrons by photons. According to quantum mechanics (and the duslity wave mechanics), the universe is a collected quantums. The so called analog is illusion. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einst_Stein Posted June 1, 2021 Share #183 Posted June 1, 2021 4 minutes ago, maitoparta said: I could take "film look", but not a film camera, no way. Still very glad of digital cameras which liberated of all tyranny of film. The film look, as oppose to digital look, is the results of less controllable imperfections in the light response curve and SNR. I like your words “tyranny of film.”. I had been frustrated in the digital photography because it allows over indulgence in post processing. Film takes some of that away but with good taste. In a sense, the in-camera JPG processing of modern digital camera plays the role of that good taste restriction. You can relax it with in-camera color setting, as a form of film selection. —- Fijifilm digital camera allows you choose Provis, Velvia, Sensia, etc, is a term for standard, stronger or weaker in saturation and contrast. The results are far from their correspondent films. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted June 1, 2021 Share #184 Posted June 1, 2021 According to Heisenberg everything is random Let’s stick to the comprehensible part. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norman Peritore Posted June 1, 2021 Share #185 Posted June 1, 2021 Load your dads old Leica with Portra 400, and to hell with Photoshop. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin B Posted June 1, 2021 Share #186 Posted June 1, 2021 I would only get a used M9 in EX+ condition with new sensor for less than $700. That's what the camera is worth for me personally after I tested it a few years ago in a store where it was up for sale - I believe it was priced including a 50/2 M lens for $2500. Not a bad deal especially considering prices now! But I didn't go for it because the camera usage and output just disappointed me. No regrets because last year I found another good deal for the M-E 240 which I am using to this date - and I like the filmy look from this CMOS sensor in std mode a lot. If I want to emulate CCD contrast, I can easily do this in PP, too. The M9 certainly has its deserved place in Leica's camera history. Just for me personally, it will most likely be always a model I will be skipping especially for prices it goes now for. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Ricoh Posted June 1, 2021 Share #187 Posted June 1, 2021 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) 1 hour ago, jaapv said: According to Heisenberg everything is random Let’s stick to the comprehensible part. Everything at the subatomic has or is a wave function. Does the moon exist as a wave function until observed? If everyone turned the back would the moon disappear into a sum of wave functions. Is the cat in the box dead or alive. Is there only one electron in the universe that travels backwards and forwards in time: electron ~ positron. I don’t think Prof Wheeler was completely serious, but who knows! https://www.strangerdimensions.com/2015/03/30/is-every-electron-in-the-universe-actually-the-same-one/ Edited June 1, 2021 by Steve Ricoh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einst_Stein Posted June 1, 2021 Share #188 Posted June 1, 2021 1 hour ago, Steve Ricoh said: Everything at the subatomic has or is a wave function. Does the moon exist as a wave function until observed? If everyone turned the back would the moon disappear into a sum of wave functions. Is the cat in the box dead or alive. Is there only one electron in the universe that travels backwards and forwards in time: electron ~ positron. I don’t think Prof Wheeler was completely serious, but who knows! https://www.strangerdimensions.com/2015/03/30/is-every-electron-in-the-universe-actually-the-same-one/ Professor Wheeler is a wave too. And so are you, and us all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Ricoh Posted June 1, 2021 Share #189 Posted June 1, 2021 4 minutes ago, Einst_Stein said: Professor Wheeler is a wave too. And so are you, and us all. Professor Wheeler is dead. Has his wave functions collapsed? If you read the ‘egg’ perhaps he’s been reincarnated as an Egyptian slave, or a Baptist monk, given there is only one human being! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einst_Stein Posted June 1, 2021 Share #190 Posted June 1, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Steve Ricoh said: Professor Wheeler is dead. Has his wave functions collapsed? If you read the ‘egg’ perhaps he’s been reincarnated as an Egyptian slave, or a Baptist monk, given there is only one human being! His wave (or wavelet or wave packet ...) was and still is part of a wave group. No wave or wavelet can be observed alone, it is always superposed with others. The wave observes conservation law. The proof is his wave is still influencing you！ Edited June 1, 2021 by Einst_Stein 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
maitoparta Posted June 1, 2021 Share #191 Posted June 1, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, Martin B said: I would only get a used M9 in EX+ condition with new sensor for less than $700. That's what the camera is worth for me personally after I tested it a few years ago in a store where it was up for sale - I believe it was priced including a 50/2 M lens for $2500. Not a bad deal especially considering prices now! But I didn't go for it because the camera usage and output just disappointed me. No regrets because last year I found another good deal for the M-E 240 which I am using to this date - and I like the filmy look from this CMOS sensor in std mode a lot. If I want to emulate CCD contrast, I can easily do this in PP, too. The M9 certainly has its deserved place in Leica's camera history. Just for me personally, it will most likely be always a model I will be skipping especially for prices it goes now for. Ahhahah, you might get broken M9 for $700, if you are lucky 😂 The thing is that digital M cameras are the only digital cameras giving the rangefinder experience,* and even M8 have good enough image quality for like everything 135 film cameras have. Who cares of the backside screen? I only use mine to change settings, to which there is enough resolution, or if I don't know what kind of picture I want to take, or if I want to make optimal exposure. For optimal exposure there is enough resolution. How about shots per second and the image buffer? These are actually limiting things some times, which you can counter by spraying and praying less, and not filling your memory card with tons of crap pictures. Shortcomings of M9 are practically non issues for me. Would never upgrade my M9 because of them. I also feel comfortable and satisfied with my M9, something those Nikons etc. never made me feel. I want to take the M9 with me. Nikons etc. was a chore to take with me. I was comfortable, and in awe actually, the moment I got the M9 in my hands first time and pressed the shutter butten. Edit: Not counting Epson digital rangefinder and the new brand with crop sensor rangefinder, of which I don't remember what brand it was. Edited June 1, 2021 by maitoparta 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
maitoparta Posted June 1, 2021 Share #192 Posted June 1, 2021 (edited) 9 minutes ago, maitoparta said: Damn misclick when tried to edit previous post. Edited June 1, 2021 by maitoparta Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted June 1, 2021 Share #193 Posted June 1, 2021 2 hours ago, Einst_Stein said: Professor Wheeler is a wave too. And so are you, and us all. 🙋♂️ 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin B Posted June 2, 2021 Share #194 Posted June 2, 2021 6 hours ago, maitoparta said: Ahhahah, you might get broken M9 for $700, if you are lucky 😂 The thing is that digital M cameras are the only digital cameras giving the rangefinder experience,* and even M8 have good enough image quality for like everything 135 film cameras have. Who cares of the backside screen? I only use mine to change settings, to which there is enough resolution, or if I don't know what kind of picture I want to take, or if I want to make optimal exposure. For optimal exposure there is enough resolution. How about shots per second and the image buffer? These are actually limiting things some times, which you can counter by spraying and praying less, and not filling your memory card with tons of crap pictures. Shortcomings of M9 are practically non issues for me. Would never upgrade my M9 because of them. I also feel comfortable and satisfied with my M9, something those Nikons etc. never made me feel. I want to take the M9 with me. Nikons etc. was a chore to take with me. I was comfortable, and in awe actually, the moment I got the M9 in my hands first time and pressed the shutter butten. Edit: Not counting Epson digital rangefinder and the new brand with crop sensor rangefinder, of which I don't remember what brand it was. I have lots of Leica M rangefinder experience - I have 4 Leica M and 1 Leica LTM cameras. But the M9 is not on my wishlist for a variety of reasons which would be off-topic regarding the OP. No need to lecture me about rangefinder benefits, please. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einst_Stein Posted June 2, 2021 Share #195 Posted June 2, 2021 10 hours ago, Martin B said: I would only get a used M9 in EX+ condition with new sensor for less than $700. That's what the camera is worth for me personally after I tested it a few years ago in a store where it was up for sale - I believe it was priced including a 50/2 M lens for $2500. Not a bad deal especially considering prices now! But I didn't go for it because the camera usage and output just disappointed me. No regrets because last year I found another good deal for the M-E 240 which I am using to this date - and I like the filmy look from this CMOS sensor in std mode a lot. If I want to emulate CCD contrast, I can easily do this in PP, too. The M9 certainly has its deserved place in Leica's camera history. Just for me personally, it will most likely be always a model I will be skipping especially for prices it goes now for. Don't worry, no one will sell you a working sensor-replaced M9 for any price anywhere close to that. You are safe. 2 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
maitoparta Posted June 2, 2021 Share #196 Posted June 2, 2021 21 hours ago, Martin B said: I have lots of Leica M rangefinder experience - I have 4 Leica M and 1 Leica LTM cameras. But the M9 is not on my wishlist for a variety of reasons which would be off-topic regarding the OP. No need to lecture me about rangefinder benefits, please. Chill man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Sik Posted June 11, 2021 Share #197 Posted June 11, 2021 I have been shooting Leica film and digital all my life and Hasselblad as well, I recently purchased the D1X11, and it gives me the film look from yesteryear straight out of camera and that's the way I want it. I'm sorry to say I'm shooting with the Hasselblad now 90% of the time Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adan Posted June 11, 2021 Share #198 Posted June 11, 2021 The dyslectics' version of the Hasselblad X1D II (50C) https://www.dpreview.com/news/4385995693/hasselblad-launches-x1d-ii-50c-with-improved-handling-faster-responses-and-lower-price Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
edstock Posted June 11, 2021 Share #199 Posted June 11, 2021 I will put Kodachrome 25 or Fuji 50 against any pixel count image. Sad K 25 has been long gone, but Fuji comes close. I have shot very little C-41 processed film, so I won’t try to comment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.noctilux Posted June 11, 2021 Share #200 Posted June 11, 2021 2 hours ago, Ron Sik said: I have been shooting Leica film and digital all my life and Hasselblad as well, I recently purchased the D1X11, and it gives me the film look from yesteryear straight out of camera and that's the way I want it. I'm sorry to say I'm shooting with the Hasselblad now 90% of the time interesting ... in JPEG setting ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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