Flip-out screen for the Leica SL?

[Simone_DF]

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1 hour ago, cirke said:

not for me , i dont want or need it, and if i want i can shoot from my iphone

So for high angled shots do you bring a portable ladder or do you jump while holding the phone in one hand and the camera in another hand?

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[cirke]

5 minutes ago, Simone_DF said:

So for high angled shots do you bring a portable ladder or do you jump while holding the phone in one hand and the camera in another hand?

I just never need it , not a single time 

same for  high angled shots.. what do you want me to do on a ladder with a camera  ?  strange question 

[simon_hsn]

On 4/6/2021 at 2:41 AM, Svetozar said:

@simon_hsn I understand your point of view but Leica SL2-S is not a vlogger camera by any means. It weights at 931g.  And I am not sure if the next Leica SL camera (SL3-S) would be any lighter than SL2-S . Therefore S1/S1R screen would be ideal for the next Leica in my humble opinion.

I generally agree, though it has been used as a vlogging camera. Check out Jon Olsson, he started his YouTube channel with a Leica SL. 

If Leica were to offer an SL with a flip out screen and you attach a Panasonic 20-60 mm lens to it, you pretty much have a working vlogging setup. Yes, it is high end but so are many vloggers and its their most important tool so they are willing to spend on it.  

I think manufacturers still underestimate the fact that many people just create content like this a lot. Leica is missing out on a big market because of it and other manufactures are starting to acknowledge the market more and more.  Now, cameras used as a vlogging camera include the Sony A7SIII, Sony FX3, Canon R5...those are not too different from the Leica SL platform. 

Leica clearly advertises the SL2-S as hybrid camera. As such, it should offer a flip out screen in my opinion. Not necessarly for vlogging, but it just comes in handy for run and gun filmmaking. 

Some more examples that support my thoughts:

- The Canon 5D series had fixed screens, now its mirrorless successor the R5 has a fully rotating flip out screen. 
- Sony a7sIII is the first in its series to offer such a screen and is praised for it more that it is critisized.

Finally, all those people who would prefer a fixed screen: Just don’t use the tilt-out function then;) 

Edited April 9, 2021 by simon_hsn

[Svetozar]

13 minutes ago, simon_hsn said:

I generally agree, though it has been used as a vlogging camera. Check out Jon Olsson, he started his YouTube channel with a Leica SL. 

Yes I follow Jon Olsson but I didn't knew that he started with an SL ! Interesting, thanks for that info.

I understand that a lot of people would appreciate flip out screen and you write some great points on that.

Than they just need to copy S1H Tilt+Flip-out screen and I think everyone will be happy

 

 

[simon_hsn]

Yes, the very first vlogs up to vlog 100 or so had been filmed with a Leica SL. He even went back to it a few months after filming with a Sony as many commenters acknowledged the great color style of his early vlogs and as Paul Rippke suggested him to go back to the SL platform. The SL2-S is probably not the perfect solution for him now because A. No selfie screen B. Insufficient video autofocus C. Insufficient 4k Slo-mo capabilities (which he uses a lot for b-roll). 

On paper, the S1H screen is perfect. The only problem is that the design is quite bulky which does not go well the those clean lines we all love about our SL cameras. 

I am curious to see into which direction the platform is developing.  

Edited April 9, 2021 by simon_hsn

[beewee]

2 hours ago, simon_hsn said:

If Leica were to offer an SL with a flip out screen and you attach a Panasonic 20-60 mm lens to it, you pretty much have a working vlogging setup. Yes, it is high end but so are many vloggers and its their most important tool so they are willing to spend on it.  

 

I doubt many people will want to spend $5500+ on a vlogging setup that weighs 1.28kg (2.8 lbs) + additional support. Even if it had a flip out screen, Alpha 1 level AF, and 8k 60p.

Put it another way, Leica would probably lose more customers by adding the flip out screen, then gain customers by ‘opening up’ itself to the vlogging market.

Edited April 9, 2021 by beewee

[simon_hsn]

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9 hours ago, beewee said:

I doubt many people will want to spend $5500+ on a vlogging setup that weighs 1.28kg (2.8 lbs) + additional support. Even if it had a flip out screen, Alpha 1 level AF, and 8k 60p.

Put it another way, Leica would probably lose more customers by adding the flip out screen, then gain customers by ‘opening up’ itself to the vlogging market.

Not many, but Leica is a niche player...not many people buy an M or an SL to begin with.

The Sony A7SIII (618g) and 16-35 f2.8 (680g) = ca. 1.3 kg not including a ECM-B1M mic is probably right now the best vlogging setup there is and it is used WIDELY among content creaters on YouTube as well as for other types as content creation such as wedding filmmaking, documentary video and even television. It costs 4.200 Euro, only 300 Euro less than a Leica SL2-S. 

The market is clearly there. Opening up to it will attract more new customers than losing existing ones because of a screen design.

[Simone_DF]

12 hours ago, beewee said:

Put it another way, Leica would probably lose more customers by adding the flip out screen, then gain customers by ‘opening up’ itself to the vlogging market.

Considering all the crap quirkiness people accept from Leica, like subpar AF-C performance, battery life, size, weight, overpriced accessories (100€ for a release cable), non-existent flash support, terrible mobile app etc etc, I highly doubt people won't buy a SL because Leica saw the light and decided to add a flip or tilt screen. 

[BernardC]

2 hours ago, Simone_DF said:

Considering all the crap quirkiness people accept from Leica, like subpar AF-C performance, battery life, size, weight, overpriced accessories (100€ for a release cable), non-existent flash support, terrible mobile app etc etc, I highly doubt people won't buy a SL because Leica saw the light and decided to add a flip or tilt screen. 

The choice would be a lot easier if they didn't provide such fine colour, class-leading handling, and outstanding lenses, wouldn't it?

I don't know how size and weight made it onto your list, the SL's aren't much different from their direct competitors. Sure, you can get smaller cameras elsewhere, even in the L-Mount alliance, but those have their compromises too. Given that I moved to the SL from the 5D series, I've always found the SL svelte and light. Never mind the S-006 that I also own...

That leaves us with a sub-par mobile app (the GPS issue is now fixed, but the app isn't great), limited flash choices for TTL, and battery life with the SL2. The SL and SL2-S are OK for battery life, as far as I am concerned. I've done 2,000+ shot days with 3 batteries on the SL, with plenty of capacity remaining.

 

I do agree with you that a tilt screen is useful. It's just not offered on this generation. It would be great if Leica could use Huawei's flexible OLED tech in a future camera.

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59 minutes ago, Steven said:

What about that little 10 dollars plastic accessory from amazon ? If you mount it under the camera, you have yourself a Tilt screen when needed. On top, it's a flip out screen. 

https://www.amazon.fr/Selfie-Filmmaking-Youtube-Accessory-Inversé/dp/B087LVYYTB/ref=sr_1_1?__mk_fr_FR=ÅMÅŽÕÑ&dchild=1&keywords=sony+flip+screen+accessory&qid=1618092032&sr=8-1

lol not exactly . you will need a tilt screen to start with

[aksclix]

👍 for the design but I’d rather like a tilting screen.. I think fully articulating ones are mainly advantageous for video.. 

when I wanna do stills, tilting screens work way better.. I don’t want to look one direction while the lens is looking another 😀 a flip up screen would never tilt up straight 

[Simone_DF]

On 4/10/2021 at 3:48 PM, BernardC said:

I don't know how size and weight made it onto your list, the SL's aren't much different from their direct competitors.

Leica SL2: 835g - 931g with battery
Nikon Z 7II: 615 g
Canon R5: 738g with battery
Sony A1: 737g with battery

The SL2 is the second heaviest/bulkiest camera on the full frame mirrorless market, second only to the Panasonic S1 line. All the cameras above also have a tilt screen. I'm sure Leica can come up with a similar solution on a SL3 without adding to the weight or size.

To this you have to add about 730-750g for a Summicron lens, whereas other systems offer compact and lightweight lenses. By comparison, the new Sony GM 50mm 1.2 is 780g, but it's also way faster than the Summicron, and if weight is a concern, the incredibly sharp 55mm 1.8, the only lens I miss from my Sony days, is 280g. 

It's only during the last few months that Sigma saved the day with their compact i series. We'll see if the rumored 28-70 f2.8 will make Leica go back to their original core root of small, high performance glass.

[tom.w.bn]

Am 9.4.2021 um 22:16 schrieb simon_hsn:

If Leica were to offer an SL with a flip out screen and you attach a Panasonic 20-60 mm lens to it, you pretty much have a working vlogging setup. Yes, it is high end but so are many vloggers and its their most important tool so they are willing to spend on it.  

I think manufacturers still underestimate the fact that many people just create content like this a lot. Leica is missing out on a big market because of it and other manufactures are starting to acknowledge the market more and more.  Now, cameras used as a vlogging camera include the Sony A7SIII, Sony FX3, Canon R5...those are not too different from the Leica SL platform. 

 

Why use a 6000 EUR camera for vlogging when you can buy a superb small 4K vlogging camera for under 1000 EUR?

Most photography vloggers have their main camera and their additional vlogging camera. If they had only one camera, they could never make content of themselves using their main camera in the field.

[BernardC]

5 hours ago, Simone_DF said:

other systems offer compact and lightweight lenses

Other systems also offer some huge lenses. Panasonic kicked-off their system with one compact lens (2 if you compare the 70-200 to similar zooms), and they've added quite a few since. Sigma, of course, has released many compact lenses. Frankly, other than a few exotic ultra-teles (which you would only ever use on a Nikon or Canon SLR), I don't think we can complain about the L-Mount lens selection. Each system has their one or two standout lenses, but L-Mount is consistently good and has more than a few world-beating lenses, from all three partners.

[PBart]

A flip out screen would be nice but I think it would effect the cameras ruggedness and make it more vulnerable. Perhaps why Leica didn't offer this.

I was wondering about if Leica would come out with their own optional screen that connects HDMI and can be mounted on a cage or shoe. Just a thought, but may solve the need. I just ordered an Atomos monitor and will see if it works ok. Just would like something super slim and not add more bulk to the camera setup.

A flip screen isn't just for Vloggers. It's very helpful when placing the camera down low or up high. Nice to have.

[Simone_DF]

11 hours ago, PBart said:

it would effect the cameras ruggedness and make it more vulnerable.

I live on the west coast of Ireland. It rains 8 days out of 10, or something like that. I never heard of a broken camera because of rain. 

Unless you shot in a desert sandstorm or you intentionally toss your camera into the ocean, nothing will happen to your camera.

[PBart]

11 hours ago, Simone_DF said:

I live on the west coast of Ireland. It rains 8 days out of 10, or something like that. I never heard of a broken camera because of rain. 

Unless you shot in a desert sandstorm or you intentionally toss your camera into the ocean, nothing will happen to your camera.

I had a broken camera because of just a little rain ... hardly any. Messed up the buttons on the back. This was a Nikon and was supposed to be "weather resistant". 

[Simone_DF]

well guys, you got unlucky. My cameras get splashed with water all the time, it's pretty much unavoidable here. Never had issues. 

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