wolan Posted March 25, 2021 Share #1 Posted March 25, 2021 Advertisement (gone after registration) Hi, I am mulling to buy a Leica M Monochrome Typ 246. I know it has an optional EVF and I have read some negative reviews about it. I have some experience with the M10 Visoflex, how worse is the one for the M Monochrom? Cheers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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mmradman Posted March 25, 2021 Share #2 Posted March 25, 2021 I never used M10+Visoflex however from what I know secondhand I wouldn’t consder EVF to be good accessory in terma of response time. Regarding M240/246 i have Epson original which is functionally same as rebadged Leica, it is ok for framing with wide lenses and any other lens but it only enables focusing in the centre of frame. It suffers from painfully slow time lag, works fine for static photography. Thankfully RF on M240/246 is robust, I never had any problems with it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.noctilux Posted March 25, 2021 Share #3 Posted March 25, 2021 Visoflex 020 on M10 has about 1 second blackout after taking the frame, EVF2 on M246 has about 2-3 seconds or more blackout. Resolution 1.4 Mpixels on VF2 comparing to 2.4 Mpixels of 020. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis Posted March 26, 2021 Share #4 Posted March 26, 2021 6 hours ago, a.noctilux said: EVF2 on M246 has about 2-3 seconds or more blackout. 😱 ... It. reminds me an old digital camera I used https://www.olympus-global.com/en/news/1999b/nr990824c2500le.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tailwagger Posted March 26, 2021 Share #5 Posted March 26, 2021 The 020 is a substantial improvement for all the reasons cited above. The diopter was a PITA as well. That said, it certainly was usable for framing and focusing. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raid Amin Posted March 27, 2021 Share #6 Posted March 27, 2021 Is it true that a new version of Typ 020 will come out soon, with higher resolution? I also heard that it may not fit the regular M10. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolan Posted March 27, 2021 Author Share #7 Posted March 27, 2021 Advertisement (gone after registration) 2 hours ago, Raid Amin said: Is it true that a new version of Typ 020 will come out soon, with higher resolution? I also heard that it may not fit the regular M10. I do not know about this, but good luck with the current batteries... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raid Amin Posted March 28, 2021 Share #8 Posted March 28, 2021 is a good point. The EVF 020 seems to be known to use up a lot of battery juice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicci78 Posted March 28, 2021 Share #9 Posted March 28, 2021 12 hours ago, Raid Amin said: Is it true that a new version of Typ 020 will come out soon, with higher resolution? I also heard that it may not fit the regular M10. Absolutely not. Leica stores are saying not to expect newer Visoflex before M11. If you like EVF just grab a CL or an SL2. Then only use M10 with its rangefinder. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
otto.f Posted March 28, 2021 Share #10 Posted March 28, 2021 (edited) 12 minutes ago, nicci78 said: Absolutely not. Leica stores are saying not to expect newer Visoflex before M11. If you like EVF just grab a CL or an SL2. Then only use M10 with its rangefinder. Or a cheap SL, its EVF is far better than mediocre, it handles heavy tele’s better too than an M240 or newer Edited March 28, 2021 by otto.f Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raid Amin Posted March 28, 2021 Share #11 Posted March 28, 2021 So using a regular M10 is best done without any EVF. I just thought of getting one for use with lenses in non-Leica mounts. Would this be "wrong"? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.noctilux Posted March 28, 2021 Share #12 Posted March 28, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Raid Amin said: So using a regular M10 is best done without any EVF. I just thought of getting one for use with lenses in non-Leica mounts. Would this be "wrong"? Nothing "wrong" with that. When I need the Visoflex 020, I just use it with it's "flaws" in mind. old Visoflex III Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! new Visoflex using part of old Edited March 28, 2021 by a.noctilux Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! new Visoflex using part of old ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/319262-m10-visoflex-vs-m-monochrome-typ-246-evf/?do=findComment&comment=4169675'>More sharing options...
Guest JMF Posted March 28, 2021 Share #13 Posted March 28, 2021 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Raid Amin said: So using a regular M10 is best done without any EVF. I just thought of getting one for use with lenses in non-Leica mounts. Would this be "wrong"? I use the EVF often when in doubt with RF accuracy. The EVF is tiltable 90 degrees . Edited March 28, 2021 by JMF Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raid Amin Posted March 28, 2021 Share #14 Posted March 28, 2021 The Typ 020 is rather costly for a plastic "thing", but it is a "Leica thing" after all. I find using the screen at the back of the M10 not very useful with LiveView when there is strong sunlight around me. The Typ 020 will be maybe better for such light conditions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raid Amin Posted March 28, 2021 Share #15 Posted March 28, 2021 4 hours ago, a.noctilux said: Nothing "wrong" with that. When I need the Visoflex 020, I just use it with it's "flaws" in mind. old Visoflex III Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! new Visoflex using part of old I have a Visoflex II (I think). It is new and unused in its box. What would I get extra beyond what the Typ 020 provides me? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucerne Posted March 28, 2021 Share #16 Posted March 28, 2021 (edited) nothing. They are completely different animals. The digital 020 takes the live signal from the sensor and displays it on its viewfinder (instead of the rear live view screen).. It includes a display of shooting settings. The old visoflex ll or lll is for non electronic bodies. It is heavy and cumbersome. Don't be negatively swayed by the reports of exploding Visoflex 020. I'm suspicious of that report simply because the image showing the parts suggests that the user forced the item apart. It cannot fall apart and there are no screws on the body. Cleaning it wouldnt cause the plastic case to break into rough pieces. Solvent cleaners might cause the plastic case to melt but there is no sign of that!!!! In reality, the 020 is a very tough, lightweight and compact device which works with every lens of any make which is mounted on your M10 (even if the lens is mounted via an adaptor) . It cant be easily dismantled. It is most useful for viewing the complete field of view of lenses outside the range of frame lines provided on the M10. Consider it a live view viewfinder for any Leica or non Leica lens you mount. For example, 21mm or 135mm. When shooting with those lenses your normal on-camera viewfinder cannot show what is going to be in the frame. (you could use your rear live view screen but that might be inconvenient.) I've owned mine for three years without problems. Edited March 28, 2021 by lucerne 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
otto.f Posted March 29, 2021 Share #17 Posted March 29, 2021 9 hours ago, Raid Amin said: I have a Visoflex II (I think). It is new and unused in its box. What would I get extra beyond what the Typ 020 provides me? The visoflex 020 is really worth the money, no sense to compare it with the old visoflex. If you do not own an SL and you don’t want that, it’s still a good solution for R lenses. Only with the 180 and longer I found it less ideal with the weight balance, but still doable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raid Amin Posted March 29, 2021 Share #18 Posted March 29, 2021 Thanks for the feedback, Otto. I may get an 020 finder. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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