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10 minutes ago, plaidshirts said:

I believe .72 OVF is roughly equivalent to 28mm and .58 to 24mm.

I'm seeing a guy about an M6 TTL .58 this weekend so I should have a better idea after comparing what I see through the M6 VF versus an external VF I use with my 24mm Elmarit.

I wear glasses so the .58VF is the only practical option for using my 35mm lenses comfortably. My 35mm Summicron will be parked on this semi-permanently, I think.

Awesome. If it's not asking so much, please post here a snapshots of how it looks like the OVF of a 0.58x with a 35mm on. I'm very curious.

I shoot often with sunglasses on when I'm using a DSLR. I did it all my life. But with my M10, I can't. It's awful. So the idea of using it with spectacles (that sometimes use) and/or sunglasses is very attractive to me. Let me know if you struggle to focus and how you feel the overall 0.58x experience. That would be great.

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M2 is only model with single 35 frame line.  The M4 and all subsequent models have the 35 paired with the 135.  Many users of the 35 rate the M2 as their favorite Leica for this reason.  I do but also

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I see only M2 which at first was designed to use 35mm lens without the goggles of M3 area.   As M-A user, the very tiny "frames" four corners of "135" in 35 complete framelines not seen by m

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I just looked at Classic Connections website and the black paint M2 is listed for $1799 and is rated Ex++.  Give Sam a call.  He is an excellent dealer.  I have purchased a mint M4, a chrome M2, a MP2

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Awesome. If it's not asking so much, please post here a snapshots of how it looks like the OVF of a 0.58x with a 35mm on. I'm very curious.

I shoot often with sunglasses on when I'm using a DSLR. I did it all my life. But with my M10, I can't. It's awful. So the idea of using it with spectacles (that sometimes use) and/or sunglasses is very attractive to me. Let me know if you struggle to focus and how you feel the overall 0.58x experience. That would be great.

 Will do.

If you look at the VF magnification comparison photos online, the .58 focus patch looks a little smaller, but I think it'll be a worthwhile trade off if it means I can use my 35mm without having to roll my eyes around the finder.

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58 minutes ago, plaidshirts said:

 Will do.

If you look at the VF magnification comparison photos online, the .58 focus patch looks a little smaller, but I think it'll be a worthwhile trade off if it means I can use my 35mm without having to roll my eyes around the finder.

Thank you!

Yes, a focus patch "unchanged" (or almost) would be  very welcome. 

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3 hours ago, Dennis said:

I used the wrong words, yes slower I mean. More secure, maybe.

In my Nikon FM I can confirm the film is loaded well, because the rewind lever is turning when I load the next frame. How does it work with Leica? Is there a way to confirm the film was loaded correctly?

Exactly the same

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Hello,

please allow me to chime in. 

I just had a look into a MP 0,58 finder and its 35 window frame is larger than the 50mm window frame of a  0,72  finder. 

It is worth noting that the 35 frame of the  M2 has 4 plain lines with open corners but in a MP 0,58 finder the 35 window bottom line is gone, leaving space for the leds, with two small lines near the corners. I believe in a meterless  M-A with a 0,58 finder, the 35 frame has 4 plain lines.

Shooting a 35mm lens with glasses is easier with a 0,58 finder.

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15 minutes ago, a.noctilux said:

Hello Jean-Marc,

there is no x0.58 M-A,

but in x0.72 VF of M-A the 35mm four lines are there

my post #3

 

Hello Arnaud,

thanks for claryfying the M-A. Where do we find the 0,58 finder  with 4 plain lines 28mm and 35mm windows from the picture I added? 

I have a M2 fitted with a 0,58 MP finder and the bottom line is open in both 28 and 35mm windows.

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23 minutes ago, JMF said:

I just had a look into a MP 0,58 finder and the 35 window frame is larger than the 50mm window frame of a  0,72 M2 finder. 

If I understand well, in general, a 0.58x VF w/ a 35mm, it looks like in between 50mm w/ 0.72x and 35mm w/ 0.72x ?

26 minutes ago, JMF said:

Shooting a 35mm lens with glasses is easier with a 0,58 finder. Hope this makes sense, 

I need to try it and see if it worths.  But it sounds very interesting

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If I understand well, in general, a 0.58x VF w/ a 35mm, it looks like in between 50mm w/ 0.72x and 35mm w/ 0.72x ?

I need to try it and see if it worths.  But it sounds very interesting

Yes, correct. 

Having a camera fitted with a 0,58 finder is costly, about the price of a M2 nowadays. 

I guess the best option is to buy a regular M2  for the uncluttered 35 and 50  frames .

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If I understand well, in general, a 0.58x VF w/ a 35mm, it looks like in between 50mm w/ 0.72x and 35mm w/ 0.72x ?

I need to try it and see if it worths.  But it sounds very interesting

The reason I’ve been looking for a .58 M6 TTL is because 35mm frameline in a .58VF looks similar to the 50mm lines in a .85VF. 
I have my 50mm Summicron exclusively on my M6 TTL .85 with an MP VF that I was fortunate to get rather cheaply a few years back. 

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11 minutes ago, plaidshirts said:

The reason I’ve been looking for a .58 M6 TTL is because 35mm frameline in a .58VF looks similar to the 50mm lines in a .85VF. 
I have my 50mm Summicron exclusively on my M6 TTL .85 with an MP VF that I was fortunate to get rather cheaply a few years back. 

I'm starting to see all of them 😆 

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5 hours ago, plaidshirts said:

The reason I’ve been looking for a .58 M6 TTL is because 35mm frameline in a .58VF looks similar to the 50mm lines in a .85VF. 
I have my 50mm Summicron exclusively on my M6 TTL .85 with an MP VF that I was fortunate to get rather cheaply a few years back. 

This may be your lucky day:

https://leicastoresoho.com/pre-owned-leica-m6-ttl-0-58-viewfinder-2723112/

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7 hours ago, logan2z said:
13 hours ago, plaidshirts said:

The reason I’ve been looking for a .58 M6 TTL is because 35mm frameline in a .58VF looks similar to the 50mm lines in a .85VF. 
I have my 50mm Summicron exclusively on my M6 TTL .85 with an MP VF that I was fortunate to get rather cheaply a few years back. 

This may be your lucky day:

https://leicastoresoho.com/pre-owned-leica-m6-ttl-0-58-viewfinder-2723112/

Go for it and let us know! 🙂 

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I studied a little more today, at I arrive (so far) to the conclusion that, not talking about prices, these would be great options for me. In not a particular order:

  • M2
  • M2-R
  • M4
  • M4-P (masking 75-90-135 frame lines)
  • M6 Classic 0.58x (not sure what to mask)

And so far, to be honest, the sexiest is the M4. It's the one that could match needs, features I want and interesting aesthetics.

Time will tell. But I know much more today than last week. Thank you LUF 🙏

 

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Dennis,

go for M4 then 😉.

47 191 silver chrome to choose from

or 8 990 black

(datafrom 8th Edition of Leica Pocket Book)

or from Wiki, here ...

  • Variants - aprox. units sold
Chrome - 47,522
Black chrome - 6,775
Black lacquer - 4,889
Olive lacquer - 31
ELC - 650
Motor capable cameras - 855
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On 3/24/2021 at 5:18 AM, pippy said:

Black Paint M2 bodies were produced in tiny numbers (relatively speaking) which makes them 'collectible' and therefore far more expensive to acquire but there are a gerat many re-paints out there such as the body you've already looked at for $1,799.

Hey Philips

I've lost somehow my reply for you a few days ago 🤦‍♂️ Not sure why. Anyway ... Thank you for your message and sorry for the delay. Awesome snapshot of you!!!

Do you still have and use the camera? How does it feel to shoot an M2 w/ a 35mm?

And for last, are you ok with the film loading?

 

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9 hours ago, a.noctilux said:

Dennis,

go for M4 then 😉.

47 191 silver chrome to choose from

or 8 990 black

(datafrom 8th Edition of Leica Pocket Book)

or from Wiki, here ...

  • Variants - aprox. units sold
Chrome - 47,522
Black chrome - 6,775
Black lacquer - 4,889
Olive lacquer - 31
ELC - 650
Motor capable cameras - 855

Thank you so much for the info. Wow, not so many units as expected. And now I see why the M4 black chrome is so expensive

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4 minutes ago, Dennis said:

Hey Philips

I've lost somehow my reply for you a few days ago 🤦‍♂️ Not sure why. Anyway ... Thank you for your message and sorry for the delay. Awesome snapshot of you!!!

Do you still have and use the camera? How does it feel to shoot an M2 w/ a 35mm?

And for last, are you ok with the film loading?

 

For me it feels the most natural and intuitive camera/lens combination of all, perfect for general street/travel photography.

But others will disagree so you need to try it for yourself.

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