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Dear friends,

 

Within a month my wife and I stopped working and we are "retired people" and photography will be our hobby again ( till now it was professional) when we have moved to another part of the Netherlands.

 

I have an R 9 with the DMR and I keep the 19 mm., the 35 and 80 mm. Summilux, that's all and I want to sell the 180 mm. Elmarit.

 

But now our problem: My wife says: " Sell the R 9 and the DMR and all you have and buy an M 8 with an wide angle (24 or 28 mm. ?) and a tele-lens ( 90 mm. or 135 mm.?)

It is not so heavy as the DMR and we can take it with us when we made a bycicle tour"

 

Please what is your opinion: M 8 with two lenses or keep the DMR.

 

Greetings and many thanks from Rob van't Woudt, the Netherlands.

 

many thanks

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Rob!

 

Good idea: go for the M8! I made the R -> M change 10 years ago. No regrets.

 

From your R line up I see that you like wide angle. Please realize that on the M8 the 24 will make a 35 and the 28 a 40!

You will miss the 24mm, or wider, look. So go for a WATE - no regrets again there on my side - or a CV 15 mm next to a 24mm.

 

A 135 mm will be on the long side for focussing. Better stay with 90!

 

Hang on!, On the M!

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My opinion is that if you aren't interested in doing macrophotography or telephotography, and you're acquainted and comfortable with the rangefinder paradigm, I don't see a reason why you wouldn't want to forego the weight and bulk of the R9+DMR and its lenses in favour of an M8 with similar lenses.

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Rob!

 

Good idea: go for the M8! I made the R -> M change 10 yers ago. No regrets.

 

From your R line up I see that you like wide angle. Please realize that on the M8 the 24 will make a 35 and the 28 a 40! You will miss the 24mm, or wider, look. So go for a WATE - no regrets again there on my side - or a CV 15 mm next to a 24..

 

A 135 mm will be on the long side for focussing. Better stay with 90!

 

Hang on!, On the M!

 

Thanks for your advice !! I am greatfull.

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My opinion is that if you aren't interested in doing macrophotography or telephotography, and you're acquainted and comfortable with the rangefinder paradigm, I don't see a reason why you wouldn't want to forego the weight and bulk of the R9+DMR and its lenses in favour of an M8 with similar lenses.

 

Once I had an M 4 for many years so I know the M program.

The R 9 and DMR is heavy indeed.......

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I would go for the M8 since you are getting equal quality out of a smaller package. I did.

 

Guy, thanks !! Your opinion is the same as the of my wife so she is very happy with your answer. I think I can sell the R 9 and the DMR rather easy within a good price.

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I think you will be very happy with the M8 , sme crop factor almost and really almost the same specs . You just need to get used to RF focusing and framing which is not that hard with some practice. The DMR should sell pretty easy I would think.

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I think a two lens M8 setup would serve you very well, and I'd recommend the 28/2 and 75/2 lenses. The WATE is very expensive now and we all expect a reasonably priced fixed wide at at some point, something like a 16/4 or 18/4 which might be a third lens. You'll love the M8...

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Dear friends,

 

Within a month my wife and I stopped working and we are "retired people" and photography will be our hobby again ( till now it was professional) when we have moved to another part of the Netherlands.

 

I have an R 9 with the DMR and I keep the 19 mm., the 35 and 80 mm. Summilux, that's all and I want to sell the 180 mm. Elmarit.

 

But now our problem: My wife says: " Sell the R 9 and the DMR and all you have and buy an M 8 with an wide angle (24 or 28 mm. ?) and a tele-lens ( 90 mm. or 135 mm.?)

It is not so heavy as the DMR and we can take it with us when we made a bycicle tour"

 

Please what is your opinion: M 8 with two lenses or keep the DMR.

 

Greetings and many thanks from Rob van't Woudt, the Netherlands.

 

many thanks

 

The wild-card is you like the R19... So the M8 with 28 and 50 or 75 would be great, then add a tiny and in-expensive Voigtlander Heliar 15 for the wide end.

 

BUT, be advised that the rangefinder focusing can be difficult for many to master, and others simply don't like it, so I would not sell off the DMR until you are absolutely sure you want to keep the M8. So my advice would be to try an M8 with the 28 for a few weeks, then only if you love it, sell the DMR outfit and finish out the M8 kit.

 

Cheers,

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The wild-card is you like the R19... So the M8 with 28 and 50 or 75 would be great, then add a tiny and in-expensive Voigtlander Heliar 15 for the wide end.

 

BUT, be advised that the rangefinder focusing can be difficult for many to master, and others simply don't like it, so I would not sell off the DMR until you are absolutely sure you want to keep the M8. So my advice would be to try an M8 with the 28 for a few weeks, then only if you love it, sell the DMR outfit and finish out the M8 kit.

 

Cheers,

 

Dear Jack, in the years about 1970 I had an M 4 and I really loved these camera.

So the focusing will not be a problem !

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I think a two lens M8 setup would serve you very well, and I'd recommend the 28/2 and 75/2 lenses. The WATE is very expensive now and we all expect a reasonably priced fixed wide at at some point, something like a 16/4 or 18/4 which might be a third lens. You'll love the M8...

 

Mark gives you good advice here. Although I opted for the 35/2, a 28/2 would work very well for bicycle touring. The 75/2 fits neatly into a nylon fabric waist-pack well disguised by my "natural" bulk.

 

With making good use of PhotoShop CS3's photomerge capabilities, you may decide you do not need a wide angle.

 

Here is an example of what the 35/2 can do at a place you probably recognize.

 

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Hello Rob,

 

Congratulations on your retirement - now life begins again and you might have a little more time to be truly creative in your photography - especially with the M8. Your wife is absolutely right about switching to the M8 system, not just for its photographic excellence, but because it is so portable ... wives are always right of course.

 

Like you I need a camera system that is easily carried on a bicycle. I go everywhere by bicycle, often along tracks and into wilderness areas in search of good photographic subjects. The M8 has proved ideal for this.

 

In my wonderful Jack Wolfskin cyclist's rucksack I carry my M8, a Voigtlander 15mm, Leica 24mm ASPH, Leica 50mm (and soon, I'll add the new Summarit 90mm). This range of lenses is pretty versatile for my photography - mostly street scenes and landscape. In addition I carry camera care stuff, a small tripod, and assorted accessories like batteries and SD cards. On top of all this my rucksack contains cycle tools, chocolate bars, rainjacket etc. Incidentally, I also have a Kalahari Mata Mata camera bag - this is very small but contains all the aforementioned camera kit and is also bike portable (albeit for short or city rides only).

 

The M8 and these lenses are so small and light that this whole system goes in the bag easily and is comfortable on my back even for long rides (100km +).

 

When I'm taking photographs and riding at the same time I carry the M8 around my neck, but held to my chest with a second strap. That way I can stop, click and ride on without dismounting. The M8 is small and light enough to be completely unobtrusive on my chest even during hard off-road riding.

 

On top of all this, the M8 takes fantastic pictures ... what more could you need?

 

Your wife has had a very good idea to ensure you both have a very happy retirement - enjoy it!

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Mark gives you good advice here. Although I opted for the 35/2, a 28/2 would work very well for bicycle touring. The 75/2 fits neatly into a nylon fabric waist-pack well disguised by my "natural" bulk.

 

With making good use of PhotoShop CS3's photomerge capabilities, you may decide you do not need a wide angle.

 

Here is an example of what the 35/2 can do at a place you probably recognize.

 

Philip Kozloff

 

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Thanks !!! I quess the Erasmus bridge in Rotterdam but there are more places in The Netherlands with "look-alike" bridges. For instance, I think of Utrecht, kanaleneiland

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Hello Rob,

 

Congratulations on your retirement - now life begins again and you might have a little more time to be truly creative in your photography - especially with the M8. Your wife is absolutely right about switching to the M8 system, not just for its photographic excellence, but because it is so portable ... wives are always right of course.

 

Like you I need a camera system that is easily carried on a bicycle. I go everywhere by bicycle, often along tracks and into wilderness areas in search of good photographic subjects. The M8 has proved ideal for this.

 

In my wonderful Jack Wolfskin cyclist's rucksack I carry my M8, a Voigtlander 15mm, Leica 24mm ASPH, Leica 50mm (and soon, I'll add the new Summarit 90mm). This range of lenses is pretty versatile for my photography - mostly street scenes and landscape. In addition I carry camera care stuff, a small tripod, and assorted accessories like batteries and SD cards. On top of all this my rucksack contains cycle tools, chocolate bars, rainjacket etc. Incidentally, I also have a Kalahari Mata Mata camera bag - this is very small but contains all the aforementioned camera kit and is also bike portable (albeit for short or city rides only).

 

The M8 and these lenses are so small and light that this whole system goes in the bag easily and is comfortable on my back even for long rides (100km +).

 

When I'm taking photographs and riding at the same time I carry the M8 around my neck, but held to my chest with a second strap. That way I can stop, click and ride on without dismounting. The M8 is small and light enough to be completely unobtrusive on my chest even during hard off-road riding.

 

On top of all this, the M8 takes fantastic pictures ... what more could you need?

 

Your wife has had a very good idea to ensure you both have a very happy retirement - enjoy it!

 

Dear Speenth,

 

My wife is now convinced to sell the R 9 and the DMR and make the switch to the M8 with a 28 mm. and a 75 mm. for the time being.

I have several SD cards from sandisc but i read that these cards are not the best choise with the M 8 What kind of cards do you use ? Thanks, Rob

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I use San Disk Extreme III and they are fine.

 

Speaking of accessories, you'll need one or two spare batteries as well, plus IR cut filters, 46mm if you go for the 28/2, 49mm for the 75/2. A Leica filter is recommended for the 28, but a B+W filter will be fine for the 75. You might also think about a grip which makes the camera safer to hold and easier to use.

 

Finally, a viewfinder magnifier is good when shooting wide open with the 75; if you don't like the Leica price, there's a good alternative available on ebay but be careful if you wear eyeglasses because it can scratch them (as can the Leica one if the rubber ring comes off). Solve that by glueing a neoprene washer on the back.

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I use San Disk Extreme III and they are fine.

 

Speaking of accessories, you'll need one or two spare batteries as well, plus IR cut filters, 46mm if you go for the 28/2, 49mm for the 75/2. A Leica filter is recommended for the 28, but a B+W filter will be fine for the 75. You might also think about a grip which makes the camera safer to hold and easier to use.

 

Finally, a viewfinder magnifier is good when shooting wide open with the 75; if you don't like the Leica price, there's a good alternative available on ebay but be careful if you wear eyeglasses because it can scratch them (as can the Leica one if the rubber ring comes off). Solve that by glueing a neoprene washer on the back.

 

Very usefull information !!! Thanks for that !!

So you don't have trouble with the Extreme III. Do you use 1 GB or 2 GB ?

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