UliWer Posted January 31, 2021 Share #21 Posted January 31, 2021 Advertisement (gone after registration) 24mm lenses show the 35/135mm frames. For 21mm it depends on the age of the lens. The old Super Angulon shows the 50/75mm combination, the new Super Elmar shows 28/90mm. (I had to look especially which frames were activated - perhaps my remembrance is not god enough for things which don't bother me. The "superfluous" frames may be helpful sometimes for a "straight" view. On the other hand I can understand your wish: If I ever bought an M-A it would be only one with the classical combination of 35/50/90mm). 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Dennis Posted January 31, 2021 Author Share #22 Posted January 31, 2021 1 minute ago, UliWer said: The "superfluous" frames may be helpful sometimes for a "straight" view. On the other hand I can understand your wish: If I ever bought an M-A it would be only one with the classical combination of 35/50/90mm). Correct. Lines can help in composition. But VF free from lines, like M-A, it would be awesome. I can keep the 28 frame line with a 21mm lens (although I don't want it). But the 75 frame liens when using a 50mm, OMG... No please Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
farnz Posted January 31, 2021 Share #23 Posted January 31, 2021 4 hours ago, Dennis said: But VF free from lines, like M-A, it would be awesome. The M-A has 28&90, 35&135, and 50&75 frame lines and a frame line lever. Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis Posted January 31, 2021 Author Share #24 Posted January 31, 2021 Just now, farnz said: The M-A has 28&90, 35&135, and 50&75 frame lines and a frame line lever. Pete. You're right. I was saying that like M-A a la carte, where one can change it. Is still n option, right? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
farnz Posted January 31, 2021 Share #25 Posted January 31, 2021 1 minute ago, Dennis said: You're right. I was saying that like M-A a la carte, where one can change it. Is still n option, right? As far as I know the a la carte programme has been withdrawn by Leica. I know a Leica dealer ship which placed a 'final order' for a number of a la carte MP's and they arrived last week so I assume that it would be the same for a la carte M-A's unless someone can confirm either way. Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis Posted January 31, 2021 Author Share #26 Posted January 31, 2021 1 minute ago, farnz said: As far as I know the a la carte programme has been withdrawn by Leica. I know a Leica dealer ship which placed a 'final order' for a number of a la carte MP's and they arrived last week so I assume that it would be the same for a la carte M-A's unless someone can confirm either way. Pete. I see, thank you. Unless I talk and work with Leica for a solution (to my customization) for my actual and future cameras, it looks like I have to deal with combo frame lines. I know my reason is solid; I'm sure that having personalized frame lines according to one's unique way to see and shoot can make a huge difference. I collaborated with two big brands in the past, but no one so far gave me the option to custom my cameras in the first place. Test them, yes. But when they are ready to try. Do you know what I mean? They didn't care about the "why," just the "how." A niche brand as Leica is, I really think it should have more a la carte options. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.noctilux Posted January 31, 2021 Share #27 Posted January 31, 2021 Advertisement (gone after registration) M-A vf and 50/75... As 50mm user and 75mm user, I'm half happy with M-A frame lines 50/75. As 75mm four corners are "faint but visible", when I use 50mm it's fine. But when I use 75mm lens, those four corners with full four complete lines of "50" may be confusing. Happily, using a while M-A + 50 or 75, then muscle memory took things to "not worry anymore". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis Posted January 31, 2021 Author Share #28 Posted January 31, 2021 2 minutes ago, a.noctilux said: But when I use 75mm lens, those four corners with full four complete lines of "50" may be confusing. Happily, using a while M-A + 50 or 75, then muscle memory took things to "not worry anymore". Because I don't want to use a 75mm, it's opposite for me. The 75 frame lines are on my way. I love that in the 0.72x VF, you see like a 24mm approx. And if I use a 35 or 50mm, I love to see more out of my frame. That's why Leica is excellent, one of the reasons, right? But because the composition is critical and must be as accurate as possible (when one has time), everything helps. And distracting lines are are not helpful at all, the contrary. It doesn't feels good. What about an M10-P with a "permanent" 50mm attached, only 50mm frame lines, and a 1.25x magnifier. And a second body, the M10R, to use with 35mm frame lines (when 35mm lens), and NO frame lines at all when used with a 21mm ... It would be a dream. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwesi Posted January 31, 2021 Share #29 Posted January 31, 2021 6 minutes ago, Dennis said: A niche brand as Leica is, I really think it should have more a la carte options. I think what is happening is that in the age of the digital M, Leica is finding that there is less demand for a la carte customization requests from customers. I suspect a big part of the reason is the very short "upgrade" cycle. These days, very 18 months or so there is a new version of the M camera M10 (P , D, R, M) M240 (P, D, M, 262, 220) M9(P, M, ME). This means most people want to trade in their cameras and its so much easier to do if it's not missing frame lines, or has your signature on the top plate or has blue leather covering, etc. Back in the film days most people kept their camera for decades so customizing was much more attractive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.noctilux Posted January 31, 2021 Share #30 Posted January 31, 2021 (edited) Dennis, the framelines in Leica M are the same technology with masks. Have a look in this old thread anatomy of M8 framelines by Mark Norton Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! sliding three positions Some holes can be cancelled by a technician from Leica or elsewhere ... In the thread, Mark wrote : If you wanted to eliminate some of the frames, "all" you have to do is black out the slits you don't want. Edited January 31, 2021 by a.noctilux 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! sliding three positions Some holes can be cancelled by a technician from Leica or elsewhere ... In the thread, Mark wrote : If you wanted to eliminate some of the frames, "all" you have to do is black out the slits you don't want. ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/317435-why-one-lens-shows-two-frame-lines/?do=findComment&comment=4130348'>More sharing options...
Dennis Posted January 31, 2021 Author Share #31 Posted January 31, 2021 4 minutes ago, Kwesi said: I think what is happening is that in the age of the digital M, Leica is finding that there is less demand for a la carte customization requests from customers. I suspect a big part of the reason is the very short "upgrade" cycle. Agree, it makes totally sense. But let me be on a waiting list, charge more, maybe a visit to Wetzlar. I really believe Leica should be able to make it possible for pro users, or avid buyers. There are so many things to share with a brand, as users, that sometimes can make the difference for some. 11 minutes ago, Kwesi said: Back in the film days most people kept their camera for decades so customizing was much more attractive. I would to the same. I like to custom my M10 🙂 Once I will have my hands on some accessories I didn't try yet, it would be even more. A camera is a tool, but it has to be unique, to own have character and of course, perfectly optimized for the user. In this way, it can be more effective, faster, and overall better. And maybe, even more beautiful. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis Posted January 31, 2021 Author Share #32 Posted January 31, 2021 3 minutes ago, a.noctilux said: Some holes can be cancelled by a technician from Leica or elsewhere Someone told me that a specialized technician can do that. I think is a delicate procedure, specially when arming and doing the RF calibration. But it goes straight to the next level at the moment to buy a brand new camera, when Leica listen to me for my digital a la carte option. Such a difference. In Mexico, maybe no one can do that. No idea. But when I will have change to travel, USA or Europe, I will investigate (maybe with your help) where I can do that. I'm willing to travel to Wetzlar also, I guess the trip will worth it. But happy and grateful I can see hope 🙂 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.noctilux Posted January 31, 2021 Share #33 Posted January 31, 2021 I've heard that in Paris Photo Suffren had done many times only on film Leica M (MP mainly). They could cancel 75 framelines. But they wouldn't do the same thing on digital Leica, that can change if you ask Wetzlar where impossible can become possible. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis Posted January 31, 2021 Author Share #34 Posted January 31, 2021 13 minutes ago, a.noctilux said: They could cancel 75 framelines. I would love to cancel everything but two 😂 I'm positive to find a solution soon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
farnz Posted February 1, 2021 Share #35 Posted February 1, 2021 1 hour ago, Dennis said: I would love to cancel everything but two 😂 I'm positive to find a solution soon In 2005(?) LHSA (the Leica Historical Society of America) collaborated with Leica to produce 1,000 limited edition MP3 sets that were a 'retro -styled' 50/1.4 Summilux lens with a scalloped focus ring, a film camera that was based on the MP but with only three frame lines (hence "MP3") for 35, 50, and 90 mm lens, and a Leicavit rapid wind-on attachment. It sounds like this might suit your desire as a film camera. They are still available from time to time in the used market but they are normally very expensive. Pete. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis Posted February 1, 2021 Author Share #36 Posted February 1, 2021 1 hour ago, farnz said: In 2005(?) LHSA (the Leica Historical Society of America) collaborated with Leica to produce 1,000 limited edition MP3 sets that were a 'retro -styled' 50/1.4 Summilux lens with a scalloped focus ring, a film camera that was based on the MP but with only three frame lines (hence "MP3") for 35, 50, and 90 mm lens, and a Leicavit rapid wind-on attachment. It sounds like this might suit your desire as a film camera. They are still available from time to time in the used market but they are normally very expensive. Pete. It sounds very good. They always can do a 2021 update 🙂 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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