M10 new Firmware, finally

[Kwesi]

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A big part of my day job is working as an architectural photographer. for that I use DSLR's

I think I'm one of the few folks that really appreciates the double frame lines on the M. I just instinctively use them to level a horizon or control perspective 

[Kwesi]

Just now, Sjz said:

Thank you. There is also a video (in german) which is a good demo.  Is really quite impressive.

thanks, I will look for it

[robsonj]

It’s quite nice, will save those... I wish I’d taken a step back moments when applying perspective control in post!

[robsonj]

1 minute ago, Steven said:

Sorry for the dumb question but what’s perspective control ?

if you take a photo and your camera is not quite square to a subject, you'll see converging lines - its most noticeable with buildings usually as you point the camera upwards. You can usually correct it somewhat in post, but you loose resolution as the image processor manipulates the image. The in camera perspective control shows you some white lines as a guide to what will be left of your image if you apply perspective control. Which is handy as you can then determine if you have enough space around the subject you will be correcting for.

[84bravo]

I tried updating the firmware in my M10-P about 5-6 times and each time it says upgrade failed. I've tried different batteries and different SD cards with no luck. I currently have 2.7.5.0.

 

[Patrick1955]

The upgrade fixed a shutter anomaly I had on continuous drive (low) on my M10 - where the shutter seemed to delay between the 3 and 4th, 7th and 8th shot etc.  Fixed with this upgrade.  

[01maciel]

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vor 8 Stunden schrieb Sjz:

Thank you. There is also a video (in german) which is a good demo.  Is really quite impressive.

Excuse my ignorance but you are talking about the M10R and M10P, don't you? The M10 (vanilla) is missed out. The thread is about the M10. The camera is probably too old to get new features...

[faxao]

1 hour ago, 01maciel said:

Excuse my ignorance but you are talking about the M10R and M10P, don't you? The M10 (vanilla) is missed out. The thread is about the M10. The camera is probably too old to get new features...

Hope it is not, that would be the fastest planned obsolescence case of a eur 7.000 piece of technology..... 🤔

[LUF Admin]

Here is the full press release, including links to download pages:

 

[albertospa]

Excuse my ignorance. What is the latest firmware for the M10? Has the ability to adjust focus peaking sensitivity been added?

[IMAGEPOWER]

vor 13 Stunden schrieb UliWer:

Btw:

M10-P users should wait until they upgrade. there seems to be a serious glitch in the files:

 

Meanwhile the update also works for the M10-P,  I have just successfully updated my M10-P Reporter

[Guest Nowhereman]

So, from the Leica announcement, it's clear that this firmware update with perspective correction is not available for the M10. The question is not available now, or ever?

There is also the issue of the M10-P having a level gauge facility, which the M10 does not. As far as I know, the M10-P does not have any sensors that the M10 doesn't, so that the M10 not having a level gauge was simply a marketing decision by Leica to differentiate the M0-P from the M10. I thought that a future firmware upgrade for the M10 would make the level gauge available for the M10 as well.

I don't need perspective correction in-camera, but it would be good to have the level gauge facility on the M10.  
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[Edax]

16 minutes ago, Nowhereman said:

So, from the Leica announcement, it's clear that this firmware update with perspective correction is not available for the M10. The question is not available now, or ever?

There is also the issue of the M10-P having a level gauge facility, which the M10 does not. As far as I know, the M10-P does not have any sensors that the M10 doesn't, so that the M10 not having a level gauge was simply a marketing decision by Leica to differentiate the M0-P from the M10. I thought that a future firmware upgrade for the M10 would make the level gauge available for the M10 as well.

I don't need perspective correction in-camera, but it would be good to have the level gauge facility on the M10.  
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But the M10 does not have the acceleration sensors as in the M10-P. At least this has been claimed on this forum a few times...

[01maciel]

vor 21 Minuten schrieb Nowhereman:

I thought that a future firmware upgrade for the M10 would make the level gauge available for the M10 as well.

The conservative release policy of Firmware for the M10 should't be the reason to withold required features, e.g. faster response after turning on the camera, better user profiles management etc. 15 month after the last release the difference between FW 2.7.5.0 and FW 2.20.48.38-Customer is exactly 1.17 MB and no information about changes. Not happy at the moment.

Edited January 29, 2021 by 01maciel

[Edax]

Within 15 minutes after upgrading the M10-P already the first shutter button freeze, off/on needed to get it operational again. Not a good sign.

[Guest Nowhereman]

10 minutes ago, Edax said:

But the M10 does not have the acceleration sensors as in the M10-P. At least this has been claimed on this forum a few times...

I haven't been able to find anything on the M10-P having acceleration sensors. I thought that acceleration sensors are used for IBIS. I've seen posts — don't recall where — that the M10-P and the M10 have the same sensors. 
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[lucerne]

5 minutes ago, 01maciel said:

The conservative release policy of Firmware for the M10 should't be the reason to withold required features, e.g. faster response after turning on the camera, better user profiles management etc. 15 month after the last release the difference between FW 2.7.5.0 and FW 2.20.48.38-Customer is exactly 1.17 MB and no information about changes. Not happy at the moment.

I too was very disappointed when Leica dropped the $7000 basic M10 from its product list.  That immediately devalued my M10.    It also sends a message to buyers of Leica releases, that the first model release may be lacking in intended features that will be addressed later but would require the purchase of a new model.    Thats disgraceful.  I will never buy a first release of a Leica model again. 

 

[scott kirkpatrick]

The PC (perspective correction) feature in this new firmware is a lot of fun.  Instead of filling the frame without losing awareness of what's just outside the frame, this feature gives you a second frame, seen in live view (it's a good reason to use the VF020).  The second frame floats around.  If your camera is dead level if fills the image, but as you look up or down or tilt the camera, the frame changes shape to map out what would remain accessible after a complete perspective correction, so you chase the material that you want in your final picture and trap it in the simulated frame.  If you are shooting way up or down, the shrinkage is a compromise, so you can get more than the floating rectangle suggests by under-correcting.the perspective.

Even if you shoot DNG-only, you can see the effect of a full perspective correction by reviewing the shot in-camera.  Adobe already knows how to read the bits of metadata that Leica writes into the DNG, so if you input to ACR and set the geometric options to "auto" you get the correction.  If you don't like the correction, you can change it, or turn it off completely.  This is more flexible than, e.g. distortion corrections, which are enforced in Adobe products, optional with others.  Leica now writes the perspective correction info into every DNG, whether or not PC is turned on.  That's what I see in an M10-R.  Don't have an M10-P or -M.

Two things I wish they had done:  This whole system gives up if you tilt more than about 30 degrees or look down more than 45 degrees.  I'd like it to work when I shoot nearly straight down to copy a document or piece of artwork, but it doesn't.  Also, since shooting with the floating rhomboid you tend to lose track whether or not your floating frame is level, wouldn't it be nice if the bottom line of the frame went green when the camera is level?

 

[IMAGEPOWER]

vor 10 Stunden schrieb 84bravo:

I tried updating the firmware in my M10-P about 5-6 times and each time it says upgrade failed. I've tried different batteries and different SD cards with no luck. I currently have 2.7.5.0.

 

That problem has been fixed, just download the file once again (now it's a much larger file) and go through the installation process. Takes quite an amount of time to actually start the installation process in the camera, don't be confused, do not turn the camera off...

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[Guest Nowhereman]

1 hour ago, lucerne said:

I too was very disappointed when Leica dropped the $7000 basic M10 from its product list.  That immediately devalued my M10.    It also sends a message to buyers of Leica releases, that the first model release may be lacking in intended features that will be addressed later but would require the purchase of a new model.    Thats disgraceful.  I will never buy a first release of a Leica model again. 

I'm not concerned about the M10 dropping in value as other models come out. However, many people would feel disappointed in a first release Leica model being permanently crippled in functions as a matter of marketing strategy.

Ricoh, for example, routinely has had a series of firmware upgrades on it's models: and, recently, when Ricoh introduced a new functional feature on a limited edition GR III ("Street Model") they made that feature available a couple of months later on the original, standard GR III model.
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