M10-R the love child, SL2 the adopted one?

[setuporg]

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I had the SL2 since it came out and upgraded my M10 to the M10-R in August.  Since then, when I shoot them side by side, I can't help noticing that the lovely Leica color is more pronounced in M10-R.  Light metering is better on M10-R without any adjustments, SL2 gets blown highlights where M10-R slightly underexposes.  Did anyone else notice this?

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[Jeff S]

Highlight recovery praised by Jono...

It’s also likely they the M10-R received similar color improvements (notably red channel) as the S3 sensor from which it is derived.

Jeff

Edited November 4, 2020 by Jeff S

[Ktsa5239]

I've had my SL2 for a month now and I'm starting to regret my choice and feels like I should have gone with the M10-R. 

Coming from the M10, my thinking process was that the M10-R is similar to M10 so I might as well go with something completely different. While it was fun to use AF and having IBIS is incredible I miss the rangefinder experience. The size and weight is also slowly getting to me.... but overall its abit late now .... really wish Leica Australia would accept trade in M10 to M10-R like the US would. 

[SJH]

5 hours ago, setuporg said:

I had the SL2 since it came out and upgraded my M10 to the M10-R in August.  Since then, when I shoot them side by side, I can't help noticing that the lovely Leica color is more pronounced in M10-R.  Light metering is better on M10-R without any adjustments, SL2 gets blown highlights where M10-R slightly underexposes.  Did anyone else notice this?

Yes I feel that way to a certain extent as I also bought an SL2 last December to join my M’s and it replaced an A7R3, I then upgraded my M10 to M10R and bought an M10M. My SL2 does the heavy lifting when I need IBIS, zoom’s, weather sealing, the new SL APO’s etc and it really is a wonderful camera but my M10R and M10M I connect with more and on balance I probably prefer the output of the M10R v the SL2 but it’s harder to do!! I suspect though I’m partly trying to rationalise the shooting experience of an M into output to a certain extent though!! I had a similar experience really between using my Sony and the M10, I just liked the shots from the M10 more but the difference there was wider than the SL2/M10R.

For the other other posts I think really it comes down to how much use you’d really give one over the other and ultimately does it get you the shots you want, if you’re a pro that can be quite an objective process whilst of course as an amateur it becomes rather more subjective and actually enjoyment and engagement become increasingly important so that you remain inspired to get out and take pictures.

Edited November 4, 2020 by SJH

[scroy]

I have both the M10R and SL2.

I do love my M10R as its helped me to reconnect with my enjoyment of candid and street photography especially during the pandemic.

But, the SL2 and M10R are completely different shooting  experiences. You cannot compare the RF experience to an AF/EVF experience.

If you are shooting in harsh conditions, fast moving subjects, have R/S or adapted glass,  Video or need the reach of longer lenses - the SL system is the choice.

Its a very flexible workhorse.

 

Horses for courses.

[Good To Be Retired]

As do many of the people on this forum, we own multiple cameras.  I suspect that, like myself, you find it difficult to select the one perfect camera for everything you enjoy doing.

R vs. SL2 strikes me as an apples/oranges sort of comparison and I don't think there's much of a solution to this issue other than owning both.

Which of course is easy for me to say since I'm not the one who has to pay for it

 

Edited November 4, 2020 by Good To Be Retired

[LBJ2]

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25 minutes ago, Steven said:

After a couple hours of tests, here are my first impressions (subject to change of course): 

1. NO

2. NO

3. YES

4. NO

One of these days...I'll try the SL2 for myself. I do worry though that if I like the SL2 I will absolutely have to have the SL 35/2 😎. This thought keeps me in check... for now. But very good to read and see the experiences of others. 

[LBJ2]

6 minutes ago, Good To Be Retired said:

As do many of the people on this forum, we own multiple cameras.  I suspect that, like myself, you find it difficult to select the one perfect camera for everything you enjoy doing.

R vs. SL2 strikes me as an apples/oranges sort of comparison and I don't think there's much of a solution to this issue other than owning both.

Which of course is easy for me to say since I'm not the one who has to pay for it

 

So many cameras and lenses, so little time. Many suspect that Covid-19 restrictions will demolish the sales of new cameras and lenses. Personally, and for those that spend enough time on the internet/forums, I think these restrictions might just boost sales ha ha. Everything looks great on Youtube/Forums/Blogs etc click, click, click "buy" 😳🤪

[setuporg]

The main, and only, reason I keep SL2 is the video -- I have four small kids and take various systems on roadtrips we do all the time.  SL2 with IBIS beats my previous 4L Canon camcorders, I don't have to carry a dedicated video camera on the road.  It's still very heavy and for nature it really behooves you to carry the 16-25mm zoom and a couple APOs (35mm and 50mm) are a must and then the latest Sigma 85/1.4 is fantastic for kids' play.  So for kids I have to keep the SL2.  For stills it's M no question.  But since I do carry the SL2, I often wear both with different focal lengths (e.g.m one 35mm, the other 50mm) and shoot both.  I end up with 4x more shots on the SL2 which is easy to just keeps shooting.  It's also easy to shoot SL2 while holding a cup of artisanal latte.:)

[LBJ2]

Did you guys try zone focusing with the Rangefinder for the little ones?

For example, 35mm lens set to F8 and about 4 or 4.5m provides a gigantic DOF.  Set the shutter speed as needed for movement, ISO to auto and Point and Shoot all the action.  

[LBJ2]

Might take a bit of timing practice until you get used to it. It can be very effective. Once you are comfortable with this approach ( AF is now deep in our muscle memory) you can use smaller apertures. For really small apertures, I use a combo of RF and Zone. See dancing ladies example below with the M10 + VM 75/ 1.5 @ F1,5

 

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