Leica CL and TL / M lenses, one year later

[Torpille]

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Am 12.4.2022 um 10:44 schrieb swatch:

Have digital CL for about 9 months and for me it is mini digital M camera with Visoflex except the following:

1) optical viewfinder

2) CMOS sensor is smaller one called APS-C not full frame

My photographic themes are street, family and travel photography and I find below features of digital CL appealing to me:

a) electronic shutter ( quieter than as well rarely have shake problem due to slow shutter speed with mechanic shutter )

b) 100% view coverage with EVF ( frame lines of digital M with OVF is calibrated to 2 meters unless move the eyes to Visoflex for composition after focusing )

c) smaller and more compact than digital M camera

d) don't need regular maintenance while digital M camera at some point in years of usage need to check / calibrate mechanic focusing parts

Brought digital CL with TL 23mm lens in a kit set but aftering trying 35mm angle of view I find out I am still a person with 50mm vision therefore I am putting the TL 23mm lens for sales in classifies of this forum.  What I now have is Elmarit-M 28mm asph which give me angle of view of 42mm lens which is close enough to 50mm vision for me.

I took attached picture yesterday during a walk in neighbourhood.

 

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I agree, the Elmarit 28mm is a good option for the CL. 
 

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[Torpille]

Am 20.3.2022 um 18:07 schrieb Torpille:

Back to the thread I started 18 months ago and commented on several times.

1 year ago, to the day, I sold my CL. The SL601 had taken over thanks to its exceptional ergonomics and the quality of the Vario 24-90mm.

A few months later, I started to miss the CL :
The SL, especially with the Vario is not compatible with my family life, outdoor activities and travel.
Every time the weight and the size make me hesitate to take it with me. This point should not even be a subject of discussion.

Photography is lived and the camera should not be seen as a problem but more as a tool at our service.

Going back is never easy even in photography. .

So I started to use more and more the T701 which gives very good results on all the static subjects,
but which undergoes its age and its autofocus does not suit me. 
Since I love this camera, I bought a TL2 for a ridiculously low price and disappointment...
the camera is certainly better technically but in fact, for my use, it remains insufficient. 

And then, after some hesitations and readings lately, the 'Leica APS-C -- No more!' thread and tired of waiting for an uncertain CL2,
I acquired again this camera and this time with the grip.

The firmware 4. changes a lot of things and except the joystick, I don't have much to reproach it.
Once again, in the field the camera is reliable and the image quality is very good, similar to what the M10 or SL601 can produce.
The 18-56mm zoom has my preference for the all-around.
A specific luminous lens according to the taste of each can be a wise choice. I personally like the summicron 23.  

So for all those who are looking for a compact and very qualitative camera, even if this one, as we read everywhere,
will be part of the models of the past probably in a short time, it remains a true Leica, a daily companion
which will accompany you everywhere for many years and which in my opinion will become a classic.

i would like to give an update on the evolution of the use made with the CL since my last post dating back to a march 2022.

I've tried many times to find a replacement for it (my reason is not very clear) but I think it's mainly due to Leica's announcement not to release a CL2 and probably also because it's not full frame. 

In reality, the disappointment of not having a new camera isn't that great, because the CL is already a killer. 

The lenses are numerous and technically the Oled viewfinder is good and the autofocus sufficient in most cases. 
I know how to anticipate this question and very rarely miss an image.

Okay, there's no stabilization, but the M doesn't have it either, and I don't really mind. 

But the thing is, the images are superb and the aps-c format is its strength, making it possible to have a really high-end, very compact camera.

However, my use of lenses has evolved.

the TL 18-56mm remains the all-purpose lens that accompanies me on trips.

The TL18mm is the lens I've really appreciated for street photography, and it's much more surprising than I imagined. however, you have to push it on raw camera to do it justice.

My favorite is the TL35mm, which is a constant delight. it's not perfect, but it lets you do everything. 

the TL23 isn't too comfortable in this trio, but that can change, given that the 23mm is my favorite focal length.

And I recommend using the grip for optimal shooting comfort.

 

Edited July 18, 2023 by Torpille

[Torpille]

A year has gone by since my last post on the CL and the photographic journey continues, often influenced by the sirens of marketing and exchanges with photographer friends. 

Having said that, I've had the opportunity to travel a lot and take a lot of pictures in some exceptional places. 

My aim was to use a camera and lens on the move to help me develop my skills to the maximum. 

I have the M10 and the FLE which is a perfect kit for most subjects and occasions. I've used it extensively this year. The images it produces are magnificent. 

I also made several trips with the q2, but despite the quality of the images produced and the simplicity of the camera, it's not for me ... too bad because it's really incredible. 

I also spent a short period with the SL2-S. No comment!

I still believe that the CL is without doubt the most versatile camera Leica has produced and the ideal partner for travel. (Ok next to the M)
Its big advantage remains its size and image quality. (DNG & as well as B&W High Contrast SOOC jpeg)
It's also an incredible platform for M, 21, 24, 28, 35 and 50mm lenses. 

But first and foremost it's the Vario 18-56mm, which for me is the CL lens that allows you to take only one lens with you if you don't do night photography. 

As a complement, a TL 35 or a 35mm FLE can be interesting for obtaining a very high level of rendition. 

And I'd like to make a special mention of the TL18, which is a great companion for the CL. 

So yes, there are better cameras out there with more pixels and more assistance (iso, AI and IBIS), but for me weight remains the enemy of a photographer on the move, and I have no hesitation in choosing lightness to enjoy the journey.

Edited July 25, 2024 by Torpille

[Kim Dahl]

Thanks for the update. I agree, it's a shame that Leica didn't continue with the CL. It would have done them good. Instead, we only have a large and heavy SL. Let's hope Leica someday makes a mini SL where you can use both SL, TL and our beloved M lenses. SL in mini format. But if ever, it probably won't be in my lifetime.

[Torpille]

I agree with you. 
It's a shame that if you want a small kit with an interchangeable lens from Leica, it's either an M without autofocus for €10,000 new or nothing at all. 
Ok a q3 for €6,000... which may look like a 26-35 50 75 kit but is still a 28mm...
With the CL, the second-hand market is still a good option, but obviously you have to make certain technological compromises but the quality of the images produced remains very high. 
Perhaps Leica should take another look at a compact system. ✌️

[microCuts]

I have a M10 since 2022 also I bought a CL in March because I need something lighter. I also have a GR(I) with me all the time.

Images come out from CL are surprisingly good, its RAWs are very malleable. I wanted to get rid of the 18-56 that came along with the used CL but decided to keep it after I found out it is really sharp. Much sharper than XF18-55 from Fuji that I owned many years back, if I recall correctly.

CL would be a success if it had more retro style film simulation SOOC. In my opinion, those who can afford retail price of CL very likely don't have time to process their images from PC. They ended up disappointed with the image outputs so CL/TLs are not well received in the market due to this reason I believed.

They should really relaunch CL/TL and put in more film simulations, reduce the prices to make them more accessible for people who appreciate Leica workmanship at a lower price point. The young people have limited budgets but they take GREAT photos. Great images with retro-ish color is free marketing tool for Leica to reach more audience. (TikTok, YouTube, IG). 

I am also aware that CL/TL is probably one of the lightest APSC body that has interchangeable lens. Fuji X-E4 is another one, also come without IBIS. However look at how much used Fuji body prices have inflated, also the quality of the body compared to Leica, this was how I ended up with CL, that makes me smile every time I press my shutter.

So sad to see CL/TL got discontinued when Fuji was starting to become viral. I really really hope they can tap into APSC market one more time. They just need to have their bodies equipped with good film simulation to make it more users friendly. GR positive film simulation is superb too. And I think GR has one of the sharpest optics regardless of sensor sizes.

I will continue to take more photos with CL with no intention of selling it. My next lens will be TL35/1.4 and I m waiting for its used price drops further.

This is my Flickr filled with photos shot with M10/CL and many more bodies. Sorry for my poor english and thank you for your time.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/79623088@N02/

 

[Torpille]

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16 hours ago, microCuts said:

I have a M10 since 2022 also I bought a CL in March because I need something lighter. I also have a GR(I) with me all the time.

Images come out from CL are surprisingly good, its RAWs are very malleable. I wanted to get rid of the 18-56 that came along with the used CL but decided to keep it after I found out it is really sharp. Much sharper than XF18-55 from Fuji that I owned many years back, if I recall correctly.

CL would be a success if it had more retro style film simulation SOOC. In my opinion, those who can afford retail price of CL very likely don't have time to process their images from PC. They ended up disappointed with the image outputs so CL/TLs are not well received in the market due to this reason I believed.

They should really relaunch CL/TL and put in more film simulations, reduce the prices to make them more accessible for people who appreciate Leica workmanship at a lower price point. The young people have limited budgets but they take GREAT photos. Great images with retro-ish color is free marketing tool for Leica to reach more audience. (TikTok, YouTube, IG). 

I am also aware that CL/TL is probably one of the lightest APSC body that has interchangeable lens. Fuji X-E4 is another one, also come without IBIS. However look at how much used Fuji body prices have inflated, also the quality of the body compared to Leica, this was how I ended up with CL, that makes me smile every time I press my shutter.

So sad to see CL/TL got discontinued when Fuji was starting to become viral. I really really hope they can tap into APSC market one more time. They just need to have their bodies equipped with good film simulation to make it more users friendly. GR positive film simulation is superb too. And I think GR has one of the sharpest optics regardless of sensor sizes.

I will continue to take more photos with CL with no intention of selling it. My next lens will be TL35/1.4 and I m waiting for its used price drops further.

This is my Flickr filled with photos shot with M10/CL and many more bodies. Sorry for my poor english and thank you for your time.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/79623088@N02/

 

Thank you for your contribution to this thread. 
I looked at your Flickr account carefully and the first observation is that I really like your street photos. 

I can also see why you'd like Leica to offer in-camera styles when I see the way you style your photos. 

I think you've mastered the 75mm. 
50 Panasonic on the CL and the 75mm summarit on the M10. 
Your portraits are very well done 

I also really like your 28 mm photos on the GR, M 10 and CL.  

I agree with you that the tl 18-56 is a very good lens and you'd really like the TL 35, which is an exceptional lens. 
 

[microCuts]

1 hour ago, Torpille said:

Thank you for your contribution to this thread. 
I looked at your Flickr account carefully and the first observation is that I really like your street photos. 

I can also see why you'd like Leica to offer in-camera styles when I see the way you style your photos. 

I think you've mastered the 75mm. 
50 Panasonic on the CL and the 75mm summarit on the M10. 
Your portraits are very well done 

I also really like your 28 mm photos on the GR, M 10 and CL.  

I agree with you that the tl 18-56 is a very good lens and you'd really like the TL 35, which is an exceptional lens. 
 

Thank you for your compliment! I prefer 50-75mm to isolate subjects better 🙂 In a very compact package especially with M lens. With modern FF body such a setup will be pretty big and heavy.

The Panasonic 50mm is a very light yet super affordable lens. It focuses surprisingly fast yet quiet on CL. I realized that I don't really miss out that much without IBIS, 6400 ISO from CL is still pretty usable due to the sensor grains pattern, pretty film like. 

I love your photos with TL35/1.4 too! Looks great and almost FF like.

[hayrr]

19 hours ago, microCuts said:

I have a M10 since 2022 also I bought a CL in March because I need something lighter. I also have a GR(I) with me all the time.

Images come out from CL are surprisingly good, its RAWs are very malleable. I wanted to get rid of the 18-56 that came along with the used CL but decided to keep it after I found out it is really sharp. Much sharper than XF18-55 from Fuji that I owned many years back, if I recall correctly.

CL would be a success if it had more retro style film simulation SOOC. In my opinion, those who can afford retail price of CL very likely don't have time to process their images from PC. They ended up disappointed with the image outputs so CL/TLs are not well received in the market due to this reason I believed.

They should really relaunch CL/TL and put in more film simulations, reduce the prices to make them more accessible for people who appreciate Leica workmanship at a lower price point. The young people have limited budgets but they take GREAT photos. Great images with retro-ish color is free marketing tool for Leica to reach more audience. (TikTok, YouTube, IG). 

I am also aware that CL/TL is probably one of the lightest APSC body that has interchangeable lens. Fuji X-E4 is another one, also come without IBIS. However look at how much used Fuji body prices have inflated, also the quality of the body compared to Leica, this was how I ended up with CL, that makes me smile every time I press my shutter.

So sad to see CL/TL got discontinued when Fuji was starting to become viral. I really really hope they can tap into APSC market one more time. They just need to have their bodies equipped with good film simulation to make it more users friendly. GR positive film simulation is superb too. And I think GR has one of the sharpest optics regardless of sensor sizes.

I will continue to take more photos with CL with no intention of selling it. My next lens will be TL35/1.4 and I m waiting for its used price drops further.

This is my Flickr filled with photos shot with M10/CL and many more bodies. Sorry for my poor english and thank you for your time.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/79623088@N02/

 

incredible photos pal! I mostly use the 23mm summicron that came with my CL due to the compactness. the results are usually good but not amazing. how does the panasonic compare for size? 

[microCuts]

59 minutes ago, hayrr said:

incredible photos pal! I mostly use the 23mm summicron that came with my CL due to the compactness. the results are usually good but not amazing. how does the panasonic compare for size? 

Lumix 50mm is definitely bigger and heavier than 23mm.

https://cameradecision.com/lenses/compare/Panasonic-Lumix-S-50mm-F1.8-vs-Leica-Summicron-T-23mm-f2-ASPH

However as a FF lens at F1.8, it is actually pretty light at 300g! The handling is great I can use it comfortably without a grip. It also focuses pretty tack sharp and very quiet.

What I like the most is its price. I bought it from Japan which costed only around 200USD! And people said it is actually the same lens as Leica SL 50mm Summicron. 

[Torpille]

2 hours ago, microCuts said:

Thank you for your compliment! I prefer 50-75mm to isolate subjects better 🙂 In a very compact package especially with M lens. With modern FF body such a setup will be pretty big and heavy.

The Panasonic 50mm is a very light yet super affordable lens. It focuses surprisingly fast yet quiet on CL. I realized that I don't really miss out that much without IBIS, 6400 ISO from CL is still pretty usable due to the sensor grains pattern, pretty film like. 

I love your photos with TL35/1.4 too! Looks great and almost FF like.

Thanks. 
The cl's size is its big advantage, as is the quality of the raws it delivers. 

I also used the Panasonic 50 1,8 on the CL but it drained the battery very quickly. 
Is this the case for you too?

I also used it on my SL, I didn't love this lens that much which ended up breaking internally. 

The result of the 75mm on the CL, however, was very pleasing.

The quality of the TL35 allows subtle rendering and soft background blur. 
The result on the SL is equally magnificent. 

[Viv]

The CL is very underrated.

It's a great travel camera.

[microCuts]

1 hour ago, Torpille said:

Thanks. 
The cl's size is its big advantage, as is the quality of the raws it delivers. 

I also used the Panasonic 50 1,8 on the CL but it drained the battery very quickly. 
Is this the case for you too?

I also used it on my SL, I didn't love this lens that much which ended up breaking internally. 

The result of the 75mm on the CL, however, was very pleasing.

The quality of the TL35 allows subtle rendering and soft background blur. 
The result on the SL is equally magnificent. 

I didnt notice battery drainage difference between TL1856 & Panny 50/1.8.

However I do learn that by switching to "Extended EVF" the CL can last much longer.

TL35 is definitely on my radar as I like to handle high quality items, especially german made product.

[jaapv]

I hate to disappoint you but TL lenses are (very well) made in Japan.

[Torpille]

11 minutes ago, jaapv said:

I hate to disappoint you but TL lenses are (very well) made in Japan.

you are right, but I think the TL 35 and the TL 60 are made in Germany. 

[microCuts]

Yes, only TL35 and 60 are made in Germany.

[jaapv]

Ah- learn something every day 😀