Leica CL and TL / M lenses, one year later

[Le Chef]

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I would wait for a CL2. If none arrives in the spring, then maybe look at the Q2.

[tommonego@gmail.com]

Since i "discovered" I could change CL settings, the right wheel is my shutter speed and left aperture. The firmware 4.x the menu first page is excellent for changing ISO. I also find the DNG files require less fiddling than other cameras I have used.

[Harrydog]

Not sure if this is the correct place but here goes.

I have just borrowed a 23mm TL and am finding it strange that with the hood on backwards, its impossible to see the red dot to line up the lens mount. 

[ruskkyle]

That is true, it’s tricky to mount with the hood backwards attached..! Better to remove first.

[Ricard0]

Slightly OT perhaps, but here goes.   I have all the TL lenses except the 18 and 23 and am considering getting the 23 as a small and light weight 'walk around / street shooter'.  However, now that I have the Leica bug I'm thinking longer term when I may get an M10M or M11M (if ever one is announced), so I'm considering in lieu of the TL 23 perhaps a 28 f/2.8 Elmarit-M with adapter.    Many decades ago I was a Nikon F2A shooter so manual focus isn't an issue for me.

I'd appreciate feedback on the pros/cons of the 23 Elmarit (or other M lens)  vs the TL 23 on the CL.

 

Thanks!

[Torpille]

Am 8.8.2021 um 20:02 schrieb Le Chef:

I would wait for a CL2. If none arrives in the spring, then maybe look at the Q2.

I think you are right. The CL2 may be a good choice. 
The Q2 doesn’t make sens to me, since I am not very confortable with 28mm. 
 

Edited August 11, 2021 by Torpille

[Torpille]

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vor 22 Stunden schrieb Ricard0:

Slightly OT perhaps, but here goes.   I have all the TL lenses except the 18 and 23 and am considering getting the 23 as a small and light weight 'walk around / street shooter'.  However, now that I have the Leica bug I'm thinking longer term when I may get an M10M or M11M (if ever one is announced), so I'm considering in lieu of the TL 23 perhaps a 28 f/2.8 Elmarit-M with adapter.    Many decades ago I was a Nikon F2A shooter so manual focus isn't an issue for me.

I'd appreciate feedback on the pros/cons of the 23 Elmarit (or other M lens)  vs the TL 23 on the CL.

 

Thanks!

The Elmarit-m 28mm is one of the smallest m lens you can find. 
The 2 last versions of the Elmarit are very good and if you like 28mm you will be very happy with it on a M body. 
It fits the CL quite well and you got a 42mm equivalent, which is  ok if you like 35mm or 50mm. 
The IQ is very good and the price is ok for a M lens !

The TL 23mm is good, better than the TL 18mm, but not as good as the TL 35mm.

But the size is perfect for a T/CL/SL

if you already have all the other TL lenses, specialty the vario 18-56mm and the TL 35mm, thenI would go for the Elmarit-m, it isnice to play with some manual lenses on the CL and it will bring you  closer to the M. 

Edited August 11, 2021 by Torpille

[Torpille]

Am 8.8.2021 um 11:00 schrieb Torpille:

I am the kind of guy who like to share, give some feedback and see the improvement over the time. 
Not a surprise that I am working in education sphere!

Sometimes you have to admit the decision you made, was not the best one. 

For about the last 6 months I used intensively the SL + 24-90mm and I love it. 
Perfect for the shootings I am doing (I am not a pro), but not the best friend of my family life… too big and heavy.
 

And that’s the point. I sold the cl, kept the SL to complete the m10, which  is not exactly the best camera for a family when you like too shoot wide open as I do.

i was so frustrated, that I shoot a lot with my T 701 + 23mm the last 2 months but i am not very glad about the results…

The T gives his best with m-lenses (50summicron in my case) and raw, very very good indeed.

I known that is all about compromises and skills… but so what now ?!

sell the SL and buy a CL again ?

wait for a possibly CL2 ? 

Stay with the m10 and try to  make my best with  it and keep the SL as the powerfuler gear I have ever had ?

cheers

peter 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Back to the thread I started 18 months ago and commented on several times.

1 year ago, to the day, I sold my CL. The SL601 had taken over thanks to its exceptional ergonomics and the quality of the Vario 24-90mm.

A few months later, I started to miss the CL :
The SL, especially with the Vario is not compatible with my family life, outdoor activities and travel.
Every time the weight and the size make me hesitate to take it with me. This point should not even be a subject of discussion.

Photography is lived and the camera should not be seen as a problem but more as a tool at our service.

Going back is never easy even in photography. .

So I started to use more and more the T701 which gives very good results on all the static subjects,
but which undergoes its age and its autofocus does not suit me. 
Since I love this camera, I bought a TL2 for a ridiculously low price and disappointment...
the camera is certainly better technically but in fact, for my use, it remains insufficient. 

And then, after some hesitations and readings lately, the 'Leica APS-C -- No more!' thread and tired of waiting for an uncertain CL2,
I acquired again this camera and this time with the grip.

The firmware 4. changes a lot of things and except the joystick, I don't have much to reproach it.
Once again, in the field the camera is reliable and the image quality is very good, similar to what the M10 or SL601 can produce.
The 18-56mm zoom has my preference for the all-around.
A specific luminous lens according to the taste of each can be a wise choice. I personally like the summicron 23.  

So for all those who are looking for a compact and very qualitative camera, even if this one, as we read everywhere,
will be part of the models of the past probably in a short time, it remains a true Leica, a daily companion
which will accompany you everywhere for many years and which in my opinion will become a classic.

[baretta]

19 hours ago, Torpille said:

Back to the thread I started 18 months ago and commented on several times.

1 year ago, to the day, I sold my CL. The SL601 had taken over thanks to its exceptional ergonomics and the quality of the Vario 24-90mm.

A few months later, I started to miss the CL :
The SL, especially with the Vario is not compatible with my family life, outdoor activities and travel.
Every time the weight and the size make me hesitate to take it with me. This point should not even be a subject of discussion.

Photography is lived and the camera should not be seen as a problem but more as a tool at our service.

Going back is never easy even in photography. .

So I started to use more and more the T701 which gives very good results on all the static subjects,
but which undergoes its age and its autofocus does not suit me. 
Since I love this camera, I bought a TL2 for a ridiculously low price and disappointment...
the camera is certainly better technically but in fact, for my use, it remains insufficient. 

And then, after some hesitations and readings lately, the 'Leica APS-C -- No more!' thread and tired of waiting for an uncertain CL2,
I acquired again this camera and this time with the grip.

The firmware 4. changes a lot of things and except the joystick, I don't have much to reproach it.
Once again, in the field the camera is reliable and the image quality is very good, similar to what the M10 or SL601 can produce.
The 18-56mm zoom has my preference for the all-around.
A specific luminous lens according to the taste of each can be a wise choice. I personally like the summicron 23.  

So for all those who are looking for a compact and very qualitative camera, even if this one, as we read everywhere,
will be part of the models of the past probably in a short time, it remains a true Leica, a daily companion
which will accompany you everywhere for many years and which in my opinion will become a classic.

True 100%. I sold my dlux 7 and gr3. Bought used CL. Very happy with my purchases and can feel the difference. 

[swatch]

Have digital CL for about 9 months and for me it is mini digital M camera with Visoflex except the following:

1) optical viewfinder

2) CMOS sensor is smaller one called APS-C not full frame

My photographic themes are street, family and travel photography and I find below features of digital CL appealing to me:

a) electronic shutter ( quieter than as well rarely have shake problem due to slow shutter speed with mechanic shutter )

b) 100% view coverage with EVF ( frame lines of digital M with OVF is calibrated to 2 meters unless move the eyes to Visoflex for composition after focusing )

c) smaller and more compact than digital M camera

d) don't need regular maintenance while digital M camera at some point in years of usage need to check / calibrate mechanic focusing parts

Brought digital CL with TL 23mm lens in a kit set but aftering trying 35mm angle of view I find out I am still a person with 50mm vision therefore I am putting the TL 23mm lens for sales in classifies of this forum.  What I now have is Elmarit-M 28mm asph which give me angle of view of 42mm lens which is close enough to 50mm vision for me.

I took attached picture yesterday during a walk in neighbourhood.

 

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[ramarren]

It's a little bulky on the CL, but I've got a MATE at the moment for inspection, to see if I find it useful and worth buying. 

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It seems a convenient lens for APS-C since it nets a modest wide, normal, and portrait tele all in one lens. And I can plop it onto the M4-2 or the Pixii and have full use of the rangefinder focusing as well. 

Now to go take some photos with it.  

G

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37 minutes ago, ramarren said:

It's a little bulky on the CL, but I've got a MATE at the moment for inspection, to see if I find it useful and worth buying. 

I have this lens (in silver) and a CL. Never used the MATE with the CL. I don't find a 42-75mm zoom interesting, while I like 28-50mm on the MP.

[ramarren]

2 hours ago, Studienkamera said:

I have this lens (in silver) and a CL. Never used the MATE with the CL. I don't find a 42-75mm zoom interesting, while I like 28-50mm on the MP.

Different preferences...

it's not really a zoom: It's essentially three discrete lenses. To me, it's a convenient way to carry three lenses that I commonly use on the CL in a single unit. 

[Guest]

6 minutes ago, ramarren said:

it's not really a zoom: It's essentially three discrete lenses.  

Yes I know, of course, but I thought it was clear what I meant.

[ramarren]

It's clear to those (like us) who are familiar with the MATE, but would not be to people who are not and have not seen the difference between the design of the MATE and the design of the WATE. The WATE (or Tri-Elmar-M 16-18-21mm f/4 ASPH) is a true zoom in that the focal length varies continuously from short to longer focal length. The MATE (Tri-Elmar-M 28-35-50mm f/4 ASPH) is not: the elements shift position and register into place properly at only the three focal lengths. 

I find one tends to use a discrete focal lengths in rather a different manner from using a zoom, and all three of these focal lengths are useful to me. I take it from your comment that the focal lengths of the MATE do not suit your preferences on the APS-C format. We differ in that I prefer these three focal lengths on APS-C and find they're not differentiated enough for me on FF format.

It's just a difference of preferences.  

G

[Guest]

What a weird dialogue:

1. You said you were in the process of finding out whether the lens is useful for you.
2. I thought I offer you my opinion as a CL user who has been using the MATE for 17 years.
3. Strangely, you reply that we have different preferences although you originally stated that you were still making up your mind.

You obviously were not interested in advice. Fine. Then why post at all? Anyway, I am not wasting more time on this.

Edited April 15, 2022 by Studienkamera

[ramarren]

Hm? 
It's an interesting lens to me because those are focal lengths that I use frequently on my CL. You evidently don't like or use those focal lengths with your CL. Thus we have different preferences. 

I wasn't looking for advice, that's true. I was looking for conversation, ideas, etc. You gave me yours: you don't use it with your CL. That's fine, but what kind of insight can I get from the fact that you don't like it for your CL and never used it in that context? Not much, I'm afraid. 

And yes, I haven't made my mind up about whether to buy it yet. I went shooting with it today and found it was convenient and performed well. But it's somewhat larger and heavier than I prefer, never mind being a bit expensive. So I'm still evaluating it. 

So now you call this conversation "weird".. Hmm?  I think your reaction to my statements (not questions) is somewhat weird. If you don't want to participate in further discussion, well, that's okay ... it would seem you have nothing further to offer since you don't use the lens on your CL. And it's your choice anyway. But it seems odd to me that you would choose to announce your intentions in such a dismissive fashion after attempting to undermine my interest and credibility. Very odd. 

G

[lct]

Just for info the MATE is not a zoom but it has a kind of "hidden" macro position at about 40mm allowing to shoot with a 0.4m MFD more or less. This works only on TTL cameras like the CL, though, not on rangefinders like Leica Ms, Epson R-D1 or Pixii.

[ramarren]

15 hours ago, lct said:

Just for info the MATE is not a zoom but it has a kind of "hidden" macro position at about 40mm allowing to shoot with a 0.4m MFD more or less. This works only on TTL cameras like the CL, though, not on rangefinders like Leica Ms, Epson R-D1 or Pixii.

Thanks, that's interesting. I'll have to play with it a little bit more on the CL. 

G

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