No more Leica in my life

[malligator]

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5 minutes ago, vwillrocku said:

Over 90%. This problem is not happen today but after the first repairing. It appears randomly and I am sure it is not dependent to the battery capacity. Leica thinks it is normal, this is the reason I cannot trust their service.

So the question begging to be asked is, is it normal? I don't have a digital M to try, but plenty of folks here do.

Edited October 2, 2020 by malligator

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[Herr Barnack]

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At 0:18 in the video, what is the symbol that appears on the screen?

It looks like the low/discharged battery icon.

 

Edited October 2, 2020 by Herr Barnack

[vwillrocku]

7 minutes ago, Herr Barnack said:

Looks like an empty battery icon.

 

Yes, an empty battery icon even though every time it shuts down, the battery is far from empty. Sometimes it even happens at the beginning of shooting session which is near 100% battery capacity. 

Edited October 2, 2020 by vwillrocku

[Robert Blanko]

vor 25 Minuten schrieb vwillrocku:

Yes, an empty battery icon even though every time it shuts down, the battery is far from empty. Sometimes it even happens at the beginning of shooting session which is near 100% battery capacity. 

Just stumbled across this thread. Doesn‘t sound promising... 🤔

Based on the battery Icon , I would try using another battery. One might think of a corrupted battery whose voltage collapses as soon as some power (current) is required but shows proper voltage otherwise.

[jdlaing]

To me, after looking at the video, it looks like you are overloading the buffer taking so many shots in rapid succession. That will lock up the camera.

[vwillrocku]

2 minutes ago, Robert Blanko said:

Just stumbled across this thread. Doesn‘t sound promising... 🤔

Based on the battery Icon , I would try using another battery. One might think of a corrupted battery whose voltage collapses as soon as some power (current) is required but shows proper voltage otherwise.

Good idea and thanks.
Sadly but I have only one battery. It is too exhausted to test every thing and I soon become a product tester rather than a photographer. 

[vwillrocku]

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5 minutes ago, jdlaing said:

To me, after looking at the video, it looks like you are overloading the buffer taking so many shots in rapid succession. That will lock up the camera.

Thanks for your input. In many cases it shuts down even I took one or two pictures. I don't think one or two pictures could overload the buffer.  

Besides, I never see a modern camera would shut down when the buffer is overload. They only refuse to take more pictures.

@jdlaing Do you have an M10? Would you mind to test some shots with the speed similar to the video to see what happen?

Edited October 2, 2020 by vwillrocku

[jdlaing]

Just now, vwillrocku said:

Thanks for your input. In many cases it shuts down even I took one or two pictures. I don't think one or two pictures could overload the buffer.  

What memory card are you using?

[vwillrocku]

2 minutes ago, jdlaing said:

What memory card are you using?

Sandisk Extreme Pro 128GB

 

[Guest Nowhereman]

4 hours ago, vwillrocku said:

...it was bought in Europe and I am now in Asia. 

I bought several Leica-M cameras (consecutively) in Paris, while living in Thailand, and had no problem speaking with customer service in Germany. You can telephone just as inexpensively from Asia as from anywhere else in the world by using Skype. And my feeling is that the best thing to do is to telephone and explain the issue...
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[vwillrocku]

14 minutes ago, jdlaing said:

To me, after looking at the video, it looks like you are overloading the buffer taking so many shots in rapid succession. That will lock up the camera.

One more observation to share: sometimes I could take over 10 photos rapidly (much faster than the video) without any problem. So if the problem is the buffer, then the problem should repeat easily as every DNG is almost the same size and the buffer size is constant. But actually it occurs randomly.

Edited October 2, 2020 by vwillrocku

[jdlaing]

3 minutes ago, vwillrocku said:

Sandisk Extreme Pro 128GB

 

Try a 16 or 32 gig card. The Extreme Pro cards are very good but the Leica image engine only writes to a given speed and the extra speed is wasted on some of the high speed cards. Leica never was a run and gun camera and many here on the forum have found out over the years. If you go past the limits on the buffer, even for a couple or three shots i would expect it to protest.

[vwillrocku]

7 minutes ago, Nowhereman said:

I bought several Leica-M cameras (consecutively) in Paris, while living in Thailand, and had no problem speaking with customer service in Germany. You can telephone just as inexpensively from Asia as from anywhere else in the world by using Skype. And my feeling is that the best thing to do is to telephone and explain the issue...
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OK, I will try that if there is no more ways to go. Thanks for your kind reply.

[jdlaing]

3 minutes ago, vwillrocku said:

One more observation to share: sometimes I could take over 10 photos rapidly (much faster than the video) without any problem. So if the problem is the buffer, then the problem should repeat easily as every DNG is almost the same size and the buffer size is constant. But actually it occurs randomly.

Sometimes if the camera gets close to, or overheats, it will give problems too.

[tom.w.bn]

At first a possible battery problem should be excluded. You can send it 10 times to Wetzlar without a fix when your battery is the problem.

[vwillrocku]

2 minutes ago, jdlaing said:

Try a 16 or 32 gig card. The Extreme Pro cards are very good but the Leica image engine only writes to a given speed and the extra speed is wasted on some of the high speed cards. Leica never was a run and gun camera and many here on the forum have found out over the years. If you go past the limits on the buffer, even for a couple or three shots i would expect it to protest.

Yes, I also heard Leica is not a fast shooting camera. But as I mentioned before, it can shut down even with one or two photos. But I will try another SD card anyway.

[vwillrocku]

3 minutes ago, tom.w.bn said:

At first a possible battery problem should be excluded. You can send it 10 times to Wetzlar without a fix when your battery is the problem.

Its true. Then I will try to find another battery. 

[vwillrocku]

4 minutes ago, jdlaing said:

Sometimes if the camera gets close to, or overheats, it will give problems too.

I also wonder if it is related to heat before. But it even happens at the beginning of shooting session when the camera is cool. So it is not temperature dependent. When the camera is hot, the major problem I face is the LV button jammed and hard to be pressed or refuse to rebound. This is the problem Leica unable to fix.

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[jdlaing]

3 minutes ago, vwillrocku said:

Yes, I also heard Leica is not a fast shooting camera. But as I mentioned before, it can shut down even with one or two photos. But I will try another SD card anyway.

It’s good practice, as I and others have discovered, to always format the card in the camera as well. There are many proponents of a program called SDFormatter in a computer first and then use the camera. I have used cards right out of the package, formatted in camera and never had a problem.

[vwillrocku]

1 minute ago, jdlaing said:

It’s good practice, as I and others have discovered, to always format the card in the camera as well. There are many proponents of a program called SDFormatter in a computer first and then use the camera. I have used cards right out of the package, formatted in camera and never had a problem.

Thanks for your advice. I have to say I always format the card in my cameras.