What is best wide lens ?

[Kamyar]

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Hey everyone. 
i have leica M10M

my lenses is 35 cron, 50 apo, 75 apo. 
I need a lens wider than 35 mm.  That I can use it both on the street and in the landscape.  What is your best suggestion, what brand?

Thanks 

kamyar

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[Dennis]

24mm 🙌

Cause 28 is too close to 35, and 21 is too wide 🙂 That's me

[Kamyar]

8 minutes ago, Dennis said:

24mm 🙌

Cause 28 is too close to 35, and 21 is too wide 🙂 That's me

Which brand? Which model?

[m410]

Leica's 21mm f3.4 SEM.  Captures excellent detail and drama when tasked.  I also have a 35mm f2 ASPH v2 and my 21mm outperforms  it.  Also, the 21mm f3.4 SEM is ergonomically very comfortable and nice to travel with if you use your Leica for that.

 

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Edited September 14, 2020 by m410

[Fedro]

Depends on how wide you want. I personally would not mind getting a 28, which for me is different enough to the 35 and makes the most of the RF. The 28 elmarit or the cron. Personally prefer the summicron

if you want wider,  based on your current set up, and assuming you don't mind slower lenses, I would pick either the 24 or 21 Elmar. They are relatively small, very sharp, and with modern rendering

[Dennis]

1 hour ago, Kamyar said:

Which brand? Which model?

Tomorrow, I would buy the 24 Elmar 3.8 ... Leica just discontinued it, but I'm sure many places they still have it on stock.

If I don't find any solution for a 24mm, I would skip to the 21 CV 3,5 asph ... Awesome for street photography, cheap, great performance and do the job. 

[Kamyar]

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52 minutes ago, Fedro said:

Depends on how wide you want. I personally would not mind getting a 28, which for me is different enough to the 35 and makes the most of the RF. The 28 elmarit or the cron. Personally prefer the summicron

if you want wider,  based on your current set up, and assuming you don't mind slower lenses, I would pick either the 24 or 21 Elmar. They are relatively small, very sharp, and with modern rendering

Thanks fedro. Actually i have on tempting offer about 28 lux silver ( limited edition 5k $ ) but i think so close to 35mm. I i have one more offer about 21mm lux ( 4500$ ) . 
some guy told me new voigtlander 21mm f1.4 is so good. 
but i have no idea!

[Kamyar]

1 minute ago, Dennis said:

Tomorrow, I would buy the 24 Elmar 3.8 ... Leica just discontinued it, but I'm sure many places they still have it on stock.

If I don't find any solution for a 24mm, I would skip to the 21 CV 3,5 asph ... Awesome for street photography, cheap, great performance and do the job. 

Are you see new  21 cv f1.4? 

[Neutra]

If you don't need the speed, the 21mm SEM is amazing for landscape and architecture. Super sharp, lightweight and great for travel.

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[Dennis]

30 minutes ago, Kamyar said:

Are you see new  21 cv f1.4? 

No I didn't. But it's too big and I don't want it. My approach for a wider lens than a 35, it's to shoot mostly at 5.6/8/11.

[BradS]

"What's the best wide?"

It's a little like asking what's the best ice cream...

[Guest]

I really like my zeiss 25mm f2.8 zm.

It dazzles me with its brilliance.

[Printmaker]

I find the spacing between the 35 Cron and the 21 SEM to be perfect. I had the 28 Cron and found either I was cropping slightly to about the 35 FOV or wanting more in the frame... so I traded the 28 for the 21. Now my go to kit is 21/3.4, 35/2, 75/2 and 135/4. (A 50/2, 90/2.8, and 180R/2.8 sit in a case most of the time.) 

The 21 SEM is a wonderful lens... but it sees more use on my SL due to the artificial horizon feature on this camera.

Also, I believe a M camera is best used with 35 and 50 mm lenses. In fact, I find the 35mm Cron perfectly matched for the M10 and the 50 Cron a perfect match for the Monochrom based on both ergonomics, and the type of photograph I use M cameras to make.

https://tomniblick.photoshelter.com/index

 

[a.noctilux]

This thread says it all.

[pippy]

For you? Absolutely no idea about you whatsoever. For me? 28mm Elmarit ASPH.

P.

 

Edited September 14, 2020 by pippy

[Stein K S]

24 Elmar 3,8. Best ¨compromise¨ if only lens below 35... 

Edited September 15, 2020 by Stein K S

[Fedro]

13 hours ago, Kamyar said:

Thanks fedro. Actually i have on tempting offer about 28 lux silver ( limited edition 5k $ ) but i think so close to 35mm. I i have one more offer about 21mm lux ( 4500$ ) . 
some guy told me new voigtlander 21mm f1.4 is so good. 
but i have no idea!

I have the 28 Lux - standard, not silver - and it is really good. I also felt I needed/wanted, however, something lighter to match it with 

Personally I find 21 SEM and 28 Lux to be a great couple, similar modern rendering (which I prefer) but complementary in terms of size, use cases etc

Edited September 15, 2020 by Fedro

[a.noctilux]

Kamyar,

If it's 21mm that you want, my suggestion would be... Super-Angulon 4/21 (link)

Not the best lens but when I use with Monochrom, this lens shines (with flaws of older design like vignetting or curve field).

When well used, the "gentle 3D" enhancing the pic can better every more modern 21mm that I use.

Not a lens for every one/or user, of course.

Learning to use it can take a while for "best results" comparing to modern "perfect lenses".

The good thing is this S-A 4/21 can use E39 colored filters, in Monochrom it's a must for me.

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[Kamyar]

40 minutes ago, a.noctilux said:

Kamyar,

If it's 21mm that you want, my suggestion would be... Super-Angulon 4/21 (link)

Not the best lens but when I use with Monochrom, this lens shines (with flaws of older design like vignetting or curve field).

When well used, the "gentle 3D" enhancing the pic can better every more modern 21mm that I use.

Not a lens for every one/or user, of course.

Learning to use it can take a while for "best results" comparing to modern "perfect lenses".

The good thing is this S-A 4/21 can use E39 colored filters, in Monochrom it's a must for me.

Thanks for sharing your experience. 
yes . This good lens . But my preference is to find a lens with a more modern and modified structure.

[james.liam]

If you’re looking for a single lens below 35mm, you might find 21mm too limiting (because of a too wide angle of view) and 28 not wide enough.  
24mm may be the best compromise. For a more modern look and a better corrected lens, the 24 Elmar is still available new at some sellers. If the f/3.8 is too slow, a 24 Elmarit or Zeiss 2,8/25 are great options. As mentioned by ‘Steve1959’, the Zeiss is a particularly brilliant lens; high contrast, very high resolution, saturated colors and much less expensive than the Leica alternatives. 

Edited September 15, 2020 by james.liam