The end of APS-C and m4/3 cameras ?

[jaapv]

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Actually, the whole premise of the thread is rather strange. Irrespective of manufacturer, the customer will decide. If there is a market, somebody will build the product. If there is no market, nobody will.  If one company decides to cut off its nose by attempting to run against the market trend, well, good luck. And goodbye.

 

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[LocalHero1953]

13 hours ago, nicci78 said:

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It is happening now. Silence around APS-C is deafening. 

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No shortage of noise in this thread.

Edited September 16, 2020 by LocalHero1953

[nicci78]

From Sigma CEO interview at Imaging Ressource : 

« No plan to make APS-C L-mount cameras yet. If we continue the fp concept, probably we will stay with full-frame. But this is just an assumption. We don’t have such a plan right now. But just making an assumption for the future, if the sensor has large pixel numbers like 50, 60, 75 megapixels, you can take a very, very good image using APS-C with a crop mode. So in this case, you can use a very compact lens »
 

https://www.imaging-resource.com/news/2020/09/16/sigma-interview-covid-fp-lens-designs-fld-sld-glass-and-more

 

Looks like they are in a decision phase. Does it worth it to make APS-C cameras, when you can make very small full frame one. Even pixel count is in favour of 24x36. 
 

On the other hand, there are some hope :    
« we will probably develop brand new lenses for Leica L-mount APS-C cameras. »

 

This thread is just to try to guess manufacturers next move. Do they still need APS-C or focusing on full frame is enough ? 

They may be still undecided. Or they already have plan to give up APS-C and m4/3. 

[Leon Sung]

The camera company can design small full-frame MLC.

But, is it possible to design full-frame lens with TL size and good image quality in corner?

[Gregm61]

Who here really cares if Sigma ever makes another camera of any kind? 

Edited September 18, 2020 by Gregm61

[jaapv]

15 minutes ago, Leon Sung said:

The camera company can design small full-frame MLC.

But, is it possible to design full-frame lens with TL size and good image quality in corner?

If not  "no", certainly very,  very hard - and expensive.

[jaapv]

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3 hours ago, nicci78 said:

From Sigma CEO interview at Imaging Ressource : 

« No plan to make APS-C L-mount cameras yet. If we continue the fp concept, probably we will stay with full-frame. But this is just an assumption. We don’t have such a plan right now. But just making an assumption for the future, if the sensor has large pixel numbers like 50, 60, 75 megapixels, you can take a very, very good image using APS-C with a crop mode. So in this case, you can use a very compact lens »
 

https://www.imaging-resource.com/news/2020/09/16/sigma-interview-covid-fp-lens-designs-fld-sld-glass-and-more

 

Looks like they are in a decision phase. Does it worth it to make APS-C cameras, when you can make very small full frame one. Even pixel count is in favour of 24x36. 
 

On the other hand, there are some hope :    
« we will probably develop brand new lenses for Leica L-mount APS-C cameras. »

 

This thread is just to try to guess manufacturers next move. Do they still need APS-C or focusing on full frame is enough ? 

They may be still undecided. Or they already have plan to give up APS-C and m4/3. 

Isn't it telling that virtually nobody else on this  site is making such a big thing of the lens choice for APS-C? For the CL/TL, they just grab an M lens and get on with it.  I guess that lens manufacturers are not really interested in catering for a customer base of one.

[ruskkyle]

Great interview that, thanks @nicci78.

It’s interesting to hear how popular the FP is with stills photographers in Japan, and that he acknowledges so many of them adapt their Leica M lenses to it for their compactness and quality.

It’s the L mount alliance kind of working in reverse.

Edited September 18, 2020 by ruskkyle

[LocalHero1953]

3 hours ago, Gregm61 said:

Who here really cares if Sigma ever makes another camera of any kind? 

About the same number who care whether or not Leica make another camera? Ask a Canon or Nikon owner.

Sigma is one of the more innovative camera makers around: not just the fp (which I have), but also the Foveon bodies. 

[Gregm61]

If I want to ask a Canon or Nikon owner anything, I’d do it in one of the CANON or NIKON forums.....

Sigma for cameras, I could care less....this is starting to look like one of the threads I would expect to see in the Micro Four-Thirds forum over at DPReview....

Edited September 18, 2020 by Gregm61

[LocalHero1953]

Sigma is a member of the L-mount alliance, and its fp is a L-mount body. 

To answer your question: those who have an interest in the L-mount alliance, and who might wish to use Leica L-mount lenses on a Sigma body. I'm guessing you are not one of them.

[Gregm61]

Discussing the fp here....one might as well start an SL2 post here too. Isn’t the fp a full-frame body? 

[LocalHero1953]

I don't know what your beef is. The thread seems to be about whether m4/3 and APS-C users are being pushed towards small FF bodies, of which the Sigma fp must be the smallest.

[nicci78]

Sigma is the second largest producer of lenses behind Canon. 
It is the biggest third party lens manufacturer. 
It is one of the biggest lens designer and OEM for every manufacturers. Lots of first party lenses are in fact design and/or manufactured by Sigma for their account. For exemple Lumix S Pro 70-200mm f/4 is a Sigma designed. Lumix Leica DG 42.5 f/1.2 is a Sigma designed too. etc... lots of exemples. Especially in m4/3 world. 
It is a member of L-Mount alliance. 
 

Therefore, what Sigma has to say is really relevant for Leica too. 
 

[FrozenInTime]

13 hours ago, nicci78 said:

Sigma is the second largest producer of lenses behind Canon. 
It is the biggest third party lens manufacturer. 
It is one of the biggest lens designer and OEM for every manufacturers. Lots of first party lenses are in fact design and/or manufactured by Sigma for their account. For exemple Lumix S Pro 70-200mm f/4 is a Sigma designed. Lumix Leica DG 42.5 f/1.2 is a Sigma designed too. etc... lots of exemples. Especially in m4/3 world. 
It is a member of L-Mount alliance. 
 

Therefore, what Sigma has to say is really relevant for Leica too. 
 

And I don't think it's ever been revealed who makes the Leica branded TL 'Japan' lenses

[nicci78]

1 hour ago, FrozenInTime said:

And I don't think it's ever been revealed who makes the Leica branded TL 'Japan' lenses

According to Leica, it is not Sigma, it is not Nikko, it is not Tamron and it is not Hoya (Tokina). But there are still plenty of small OEM lenses factory around Japan. It is the best kept secret yet.

But japanese patents for TL 11-23, 18-56, 55-135 and 60mm macro goes to Konica-Minolta. 

However Konica-Minolta does not own any factory anymore. They were sold to Sony years ago. However they kept their optical design team. That’s why, they are used by almost every companies to design their first party lenses. 

 

 

 

Edited September 19, 2020 by nicci78