M10-P or M10R

[Jeff S]

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1 hour ago, petermullett said:

but the real advantage for me is it's EVF, ( ok a pretty mediocre EVF for sure but nice to have alongside the option of shooting with the LCD ), as I dislike LCD shooting like as with a 'phone camera........

+1 

For me, a top priority for any camera is the viewing (and focusing) experience; a deal breaker. Leica excels at this, for all its camera lines… the M for its stellar RF/viewing experience; the SL models for possibly the best EVF; and the S for its wonderful OVF.  That, along with simplicity of controls, compactness and quality of lenses (and interchangeability) make the M (among the 10 other brands I’ve used) the only camera that I haven’t been without since the 80’s.  I even prefer its size to the Ricoh or similar small bodies. 

Jeff

[SrMi]

3 hours ago, Steven said:

I can answer that one. Because my Ricoh GR3's IQ is far far above my the images produced by my iPhone 13 Pro. No debate here. 

Agreed. The advantage of iPhone 13 Pro is that you have it with me all the time. The new macro mode is also very impressive.

The disadvantage of iPhone is ergonomics and sometimes image quality.

[junix]

11 minutes ago, Steven said:

I find the macro mode on iPhone 13 quite gimmicky. 

The macro mode on the Ricoh is very very impressive. 

But FaceTime works like sh*t on the Ricoh..

I heard so many nice things about the Ricoh, I should probably buy one.. I keep buying the latest iteration of Fuji X100 whenever a new one comes out, also an amazing little gem.

[SrMi]

1 hour ago, Steven said:

I find the macro mode on iPhone 13 quite gimmicky. 

The macro mode on the Ricoh is very very impressive. 

This  iPhone 13 Pro image prints well on 11x8.5:

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[Tailwagger]

Assuming you can get past the lack of EVF and/or are content with the optical tack-on, the one serious problem I had with the original GR, and in fairness fixed lens truly pocketable cameras in general, was a propensity to suck up dust.  This problem, of course, cant be dealt with unless you're willing to disassemble the camera or send it off for cleaning. Perhaps the newer versions are better in this regard, but otherwise one really shouldn't take the notion of pocket-ability too seriously unless one has very, very clean lint free pockets. No such problem with an iPhone, but then its nowhere a rival from an IQ standpoint. 

[NigelG]

+1

My GR now has a large particle right near the centre of the frame visible even at fairly wide apertures. I’m now watching various YouTube tutorials re how to open the camera and remove the debris - which might be on the sensor or on the cover which sits behind the lens assembly.  
It’s not a particularly easy process and I’m not sure the grip covering (which hides a screw) will recover. I had hoped that the GR111 and GR111x had better sealing but reviews suggest not.

[Guest Nowhereman]

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4 hours ago, NigelG said:

...I had hoped that the GR111 and GR111x had better sealing but reviews suggest not.

The GR III and, now, the GR IIIx have a facility for image sensor cleaning using ultrasonic vibration. I don't know how well this works because my GR III, purchased two years ago, has not had any dust on the sensor.
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[John Ricard]

On 10/7/2021 at 6:34 PM, Jeff S said:

 

I far prefer Eizo or NEC to stock Apple screens for editing and viewing photos.  But if you really think others viewing your pics online, even on the same brand screen, are seeing exactly what you see, good luck with that fantasy.

Jeff

So what then, is the obsession with getting the colors "right" if no one but you will see them correctly anyway?  

[Jeff S]

5 minutes ago, John Ricard said:

So what then, is the obsession with getting the colors "right" if no one but you will see them correctly anyway?  

I print them for my own pleasure and, if worthy, do my own custom matting and framing for display, gift, exhibit or sale. I determine what’s right, for my own tastes, but color management at each stage (including display lighting) saves time, effort and supply costs, and better ensures desired results. The same applies to black and white prints, my primary output, where tones and tonal gradations (and textures) are critical, and can distinguish a fairly nice print from a great print. Same as in darkroom days.  Of course, none of this matters if the picture isn’t worthy to start; viewers aren’t concerned with the technical stuff.

Jeff 

 

[Jeff S]

Generally just prints. I’ll invite you to my next exhibit if I ever get the energy to do that again. I do have a site, but only share as needed or for family, etc.  

Jeff

[Jeff S]

Last exhibit was at NBC Studios in DC.  No idea if or where I’d do another….getting too old for this stuff.  PM me if you find anything… not interested in public display.

Jeff

[Ponnefaxen]

Anyone who has used both - how do they differ in low light scenarios?