comapedrosa Posted August 17, 2007 Share #1 Posted August 17, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) I would like to survey forum members’ interest and maybe even trigger some Leica engineers’ interest about a new Leica T (Traumkamera), with the following specs: - Rangefinder (no need for mirrors in this day and age since film is gone) - Fixed lens with 2 focal lengths: 35mm and 90mm a la tri-elmar. I’d be willing to go for 28-50-90 or 135 too – as many, I only use a few focal lengths or even the extremes of most zoom lenses. - Preferably f1.4, though I could easily live with f2 provided the sensor size requirement below - Full-frame or close – for selective focusing and bokeh - Fast autofocus (only one small center focus point needed) w/ manual override – because the reality is that my eyes are already fading - Overall size of an M or smaller – and lighter - Other characteristics should correspond to today’s de-facto standards (10-12MP, good ISO800, 1/8000 max speed… no antishake needed, and of course no anti-dust needed) - The icing on the cake would of course be a real aperture ring and speed dial, an ISO dial and an exposure mode dial – but I’d be willing to compromise on that - The cherry on top of the icing would be an EVF without time lag and very fine resolution to evaluate exposure while composing… I’d be happy to donate $1,000 to Leica’s R&D now for the development of this new camera oscura and its availability in 10 years – no strings attached J This would be a very small price to pay for eternal happiness… Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted August 17, 2007 Posted August 17, 2007 Hi comapedrosa, Take a look here New Leica T Annouced. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
MP3 Posted August 17, 2007 Share #2 Posted August 17, 2007 Bravo !! This is what Digilux 3 should be at the very beginning, or we can name it the Digital-CL as some members here have been dreaming for. Cheers Matthew Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rebride Posted August 17, 2007 Share #3 Posted August 17, 2007 Ditto!!! Let's call it Digital CL. Dejan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted August 17, 2007 Share #4 Posted August 17, 2007 Its good to dream, but just a few thoughts, Rangefinder & EVF ? Why ? f1.4 Quattro Summilux............... Full Frame & Small & Light Dream on! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speenth Posted August 17, 2007 Share #5 Posted August 17, 2007 Fixed lens? No. However good it may be and despite the elimination of the pesky dust issue, I think this would be too much pared off the uniqueness of the Leica concept. We love the lenses. We spend daft sums on them and then barely use them most of the time. But they're there when needed and they give us the sense that we have full creative control and uncompromising optical excellence. I'd forever be trying to unscrew your fixed zoom lens! After all, the body is only the vehicle for the lens. We have the lenses, but a better body is something we all desire. As for the rest - I'd consider it, as long as it had manual override on everything you're proposing to automate! Smaller than an M8 - Yes. But lighter only in proportion. The weight is testimony to the 'carved from solid' feel. Please don't lose that, or your specification begins to wander perilously close to 'ordinary camera', a la Japan. The trouble is, as I write this I realise that I'm bringing the specification back to my M8 (except maybe a bit smaller and with the autofocus option for when I'm in a hurry). I don't think I'm gasping for a T just yet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Flatline Posted August 17, 2007 Share #6 Posted August 17, 2007 I love the naval-gazing in this community. It's awesome how some of us here demand products that are totally removed from the marketplace, and might well doom Leica to instant bancruptcy. But hey, it's a dream camera, so let's also make it only Black & White. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted August 17, 2007 Share #7 Posted August 17, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) I vote one black one and one white one ......... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tummydoc Posted August 17, 2007 Share #8 Posted August 17, 2007 - Rangefinder (no need for mirrors in this day and age since film is gone) That makes no sense whatsoever. Are you saying DSLRs are superfluous, or that a rangefinder mechanism with an internal mirror is obsolete? Either way I don't see what it has to do with film being "gone" (BTW it seems to have "gone" to B&H because they amongst others offer a generous supply and variety;) ) Finally, since this is just your daydream and not an official report of a "New Leica T Annouced", the title ought to be edited. Not all of us have unlimited idle time on our hands Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
comapedrosa Posted August 17, 2007 Author Share #9 Posted August 17, 2007 Dear Tummydoc, I am sorry if I hurt your feelings. I still like and use film too… but I believe it is safe to say that there is not much R&D going into film when compared to digital. Anyhow, a film vs. pixel discussion wasn’t at all my intent. I simply wanted to share a Traumkamera I’ve been dreaming about for a while and that does not seem out of reach for today’s technology. Yes, I do believe that DSLRs are superfluous. See, the mirror was needed to 1) allow a direct through-the-lens view/light reading, and 2) hide the film from light and then briefly expose it. Correct me if I’m wrong, but both seeing through the lens and achieving an accurate exposure reading/time are achievable without a mirror when using a digital sensor. Hence, we can get rid of the damn heavy, bulky, vibrating mirror construct. As for your time – use it wisely. For many members this forum is pure entertainment and a nice palliative for the frustration of not being able to go out there and shoot… As far as I’ve been able to tell over the years, there’s no obligation to read or comment. I stand by my nice title and no editing is warranted nor conceded. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted August 17, 2007 Share #10 Posted August 17, 2007 Correct me if I’m wrong, but both seeing through the lens and achieving an accurate exposure reading/time are achievable without a mirror when using a digital sensor. Depends on the sensor. Having a large sensor switched on permanently will drain the battery and produce heat, which will in turn generate noise. I'm not saying it can't be done, but as far as I'm aware the only cameras that currently have a sensor that's switched on all the time are p&s. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
comapedrosa Posted August 17, 2007 Author Share #11 Posted August 17, 2007 humm, good point. I don’t want to pretend that I'm an engineer... but I'm sure that that can be figured out. what about cooling? In the end computer engineering has addressed a similar issue. I'm excited that there's actually some interest for the T though If we keep pushing this thread, maybe Mr. Chairman could even notice it... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Flatline Posted August 17, 2007 Share #12 Posted August 17, 2007 Water-cooled! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tummydoc Posted August 17, 2007 Share #13 Posted August 17, 2007 Dear Tummydoc, I am sorry if I hurt your feelings. Someone making patently false statements like "film is gone", or posting a patently false statement as "New Leica T Announced" doesn't hurt one's feelings, it merely insults one's intelligence. Yes, I do believe that DSLRs are superfluous. See, the mirror was needed to 1) allow a direct through-the-lens view/light reading, and 2) hide the film from light and then briefly expose it. Correct me if I’m wrong, but both seeing through the lens and achieving an accurate exposure reading/time are achievable without a mirror when using a digital sensor. The quality of EVFs or LCD screens for focusing and composing has reached the point of satisfying a certain cadre of users. Above that level, serious photographers and professionals must still contend with superfluous mirrors For many members this forum is pure entertainment That would certainly be true on Leica forums in general but I've noted in particular that the M8 forum is overwhelmingly populated by M8 owners, who are interested primarily in informative content regarding its care and feeding. and a nice palliative for the frustration of not being able to go out there and shoot Really? Are there many M8 owners on the forum who are infirm or imprisoned? Otherwise, the choice between being here or being out shooting would appear to be a voluntary one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
comapedrosa Posted August 17, 2007 Author Share #14 Posted August 17, 2007 Ok, I'm done. You win. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tummydoc Posted August 17, 2007 Share #15 Posted August 17, 2007 Oh don't pout Coma, it's all for entertainment, remember? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
comapedrosa Posted August 17, 2007 Author Share #16 Posted August 17, 2007 Well, it all depends. Will you buy a T or not? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
carstenw Posted August 17, 2007 Share #17 Posted August 17, 2007 Maybe if it is turbo-charged. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
4season Posted August 17, 2007 Share #18 Posted August 17, 2007 Fixed lens with 2 focal lengths: 35mm and 90mm a la tri-elmar. Preferably f1.4 Overall size of an M or smaller – and lighter Ooh, I want a lightweight 90/1.4 Summilux too Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
george + Posted August 17, 2007 Share #19 Posted August 17, 2007 Well, it all depends. Will you buy a T or not? No. But thanks for asking. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
comapedrosa Posted August 18, 2007 Author Share #20 Posted August 18, 2007 Sincerely, I don’t get witch all the witch burning is about. Isn’t this for instance a poor attempt at exactly a Leica T? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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