EyeCup to help compose on M10

[Dennis]

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Hi all

By chance, do you have or had tried this on an M10?

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Here the link of the item: https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1338077-REG/match_technical_ec_mx_34_e_clypse_eyecup_mx_for.html

My goal is a more comfortable/gentle way to press my face on the VF 😂 And possibly to see a little better (no more) the 35 frame lines. Note: it's not a magnifier, just an eyecup.

Thank you!  

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[Mikep996]

I briefly had one on my M6 years ago.  I found that it made it more difficult to see the frame lines of wide lenses because it essentially moves your eye away from the rangefinder. In my case, pushing my eye up against the cup to "fold it" back against the camera still resulted in the 28mm frame lines being not visible at all; the 35 frame lines were right at the edge of the field of view pretty much like the 28 is normally.  I didn't care for it at all but that was in the '90's, maybe the current eyecups are thinner and don't hold your eye as far away.

[Dennis]

Thank you. It makes sense. I know I can't be wider in the VF, it's not an 0.85x magnifier. But pressing my eye and face on an eyecup, should be more comfortable than do it on metal. It would be for 35mm only

Edited August 9, 2020 by Dennis

[Jeff S]

I’d rather be able to see more area around the 35mm frame lines through the VF. But I already use thin, flexible frames for my eyeglasses, which allow me to comfortably press my eye against the VF and diopter (both of which have small rubber/plastic? protective rings... did you lose yours?).  I wouldn’t want my glasses farther away from the VF.

Jeff

[Dennis]

I don't wear glasses (to shoot). I can avoid to see 28 frame lines, I don't care. I just want a little bit more comfort when I shoot ... I have a big nose 🤷‍♂️ and I'm sure the eyecup would make the whole process better. But not sure how much it could help, or it interfere, never tried.

[Jeff S]

The idea isn’t to see the 28 frame lines, but to be able to see objects or people outside the 35 lines, in anticipation of their entering the frame, without having to remove your eye from the VF.  Part of M lore...the decisive moment and all that.  But comfort is nice, too. I still don’t follow your eye against “metal” comment; there already is a non-metal ring.

Jeff

Edited August 9, 2020 by Jeff S

[jdlaing]

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It interferes.

[Dennis]

32 minutes ago, Jeff S said:

I still don’t follow your eye against “metal” comment

haha. It's because my bony face and features. In a DSRL, the OVF is prominent, protruding. Cause my face, it helps. 

I know and agree with what you're saying about anticipation, to see more out of the frame line, it's the M philosophy and strength. And I love it.

But with RF, despite I shoot with the right eye, I'm not very comfortable when I shoot. 

[Dennis]

35 minutes ago, jdlaing said:

It interferes.

😒

[Jeff S]

15 minutes ago, Dennis said:

haha. It's because my bony face and features. In a DSRL, the OVF is prominent, protruding. Cause my face, it helps. 

I know and agree with what you're saying about anticipation, to see more out of the frame line, it's the M philosophy and strength. And I love it.

But with RF, despite I shoot with the right eye, I'm not very comfortable when I shoot. 

I thought that you might have this issue...

Jeff

[Dennis]

thank you Jeff, but nope. Everything is in order on my M10, it's just me! Shooting mostly with a 35mm, I just wanted to see options to implement such as eyecup, or demagnifier (o.85x).

It's not a big deal, I still adore my M10, no doubts at all. But I do suffer a little pressing my face/eye into the VF. I just hoped there was a solution for me, and for all kind of shooter in the same position.

An adapter, a piece of silicone or something could make the process more comfortable, at least for me. I guess when it will be the time to travel for me, I would investigate and try out more about everything in a Leica store.

[onasj]

14 hours ago, Dennis said:

thank you Jeff, but nope. Everything is in order on my M10, it's just me! Shooting mostly with a 35mm, I just wanted to see options to implement such as eyecup, or demagnifier (o.85x).

It's not a big deal, I still adore my M10, no doubts at all. But I do suffer a little pressing my face/eye into the VF. I just hoped there was a solution for me, and for all kind of shooter in the same position.

An adapter, a piece of silicone or something could make the process more comfortable, at least for me. I guess when it will be the time to travel for me, I would investigate and try out more about everything in a Leica store.

Dennis,

You might try the 1.25x Leica magnifier (plus M10 thread adapter), which naturally distances yourself from the VF and also makes focusing significantly easier and more accurate.  The main downside is you lose the 28 mm frame lines, but can still frame 28 mm with some practice in my experience (just assume the 28 mm frame includes the entire viewfinder plus a bit).

[farnz]

Hi Dennis,

I used the E-Clypse Eyecup with my M8, M9P, and M240.  I wear spectacles so I wanted to prevent the risk of the harder parts of the rangefinder eyepiece from scratching them.  Naturally the E-Clypse moves the eye away from the eyepiece, and further with spectacles, so I used MatchTechnical's screw-in 'de-magnifier' lens to broaden my field of view in the viewfinder, which worked okay.

I don't use the E-Clypse or de-magnifier with my M10 because the eyepiece has a larger thread diameter so my E-Clypse won't fit but I haven't scratched my spectacles either.  Since the M10's viewfinder is a significant improvement over the M240's I've decided not to use the E-Clypse with my M10.

Did the E-Clypse "interfere" with my M8, M9P, and M240?  I didn't think so.

Pete.

[Dennis]

6 hours ago, onasj said:

Dennis,

You might try the 1.25x Leica magnifier (plus M10 thread adapter), which naturally distances yourself from the VF and also makes focusing significantly easier and more accurate.  The main downside is you lose the 28 mm frame lines, but can still frame 28 mm with some practice in my experience (just assume the 28 mm frame includes the entire viewfinder plus a bit).

Thank you. I don't have a 28mm, and I'm not interested. So it would be only for 35mm (75%) and 50mm (25%). Just a question, cause I have a doubt: the 1.25x is "zooming" inside the viewfinder, right? Which means that the 35mm frame lines will be more difficult to see? I mean to focus is better, but how to use the 35 frame lines?

5 hours ago, farnz said:

Naturally the E-Clypse moves the eye away from the eyepiece

Thank you Pete. It makes sense. But I thought that, despite that, pressing the eye in the cup, it lets you see better the frame. Blocking such stray light allows for greater overall visibility. Am I wrong?

 

5 hours ago, farnz said:

Did the E-Clypse "interfere" with my M8, M9P, and M240?  I didn't think so

It should help instead

[Jeff S]

The 1.25x magnifier enlarges everything in the VF, including the frame lines, so the 35mm lines are closer to the edges, but still with plenty of room.  My 1.25x magnifier, which I bought many, many years ago, has stayed in a drawer after using it only briefly.  First, I didn’t need it for my usual 28/35/50 lenses; even for the RF on lower magnification M viewfinders (.68x vs the M10’s .73x).  And I found that the magnifier somewhat lowered contrast.  One must make his/her own assessment.

Jeff

[onasj]

35 minutes ago, Dennis said:

Thank you. I don't have a 28mm, and I'm not interested. So it would be only for 35mm (75%) and 50mm (25%). Just a question, cause I have a doubt: the 1.25x is "zooming" inside the viewfinder, right? Which means that the 35mm frame lines will be more difficult to see? I mean to focus is better, but how to use the 35 frame lines?

Yes, it zooms in the viewfinder so you can more easily line up fine details in the patch to achieve critical focus.  I can see fairly easily the 35-mm frame lines.  And of course there's no chance that your eyes/glasses will hit the viewfinder housing.  I keep my 1.25x magnifier on my M10 cameras almost all the time, as I also don't shoot 28 mm often.

[Jeff S]

7 minutes ago, onasj said:

Yes, it zooms in the viewfinder so you can more easily line up fine details in the patch to achieve critical focus.  I can see fairly easily the 35-mm frame lines.  And of course there's no chance that your eyes/glasses will hit the viewfinder housing.  I keep my 1.25x magnifier on my M10 cameras almost all the time, as I also don't shoot 28 mm often.

Doesn’t the magnifier require an adapter for the larger diameter M10 VF?  That would effectively negate the benefit of the larger opening for me, (in addition to the reduced contrast). 
 

Jeff

[farnz]

46 minutes ago, Dennis said:

Thank you Pete. It makes sense. But I thought that, despite that, pressing the eye in the cup, it lets you see better the frame. Blocking such stray light allows for greater overall visibility. Am I wrong?

Hi Dennis,

No, you're not wrong but if you wear spectacles, as I do, they can't fit into the eyecup and your eye will be pushed a little further away from the viewfinder.

If you're wearing spectacles then stray lateral light that can flare in the eye and reduce visibility will still do it.  Without spectacles the eyecup will block the stray lateral light.

Pete.

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[Dennis]

3 minutes ago, farnz said:

Without spectacles the eyecup will block the stray lateral light.

Pete.

Awesome. I don't use spectacles to shoot. So I guess it could make the difference for me.

8 minutes ago, onasj said:

 I keep my 1.25x magnifier on my M10 cameras almost all the time

great. So it works 🙂 I thought that it was more to use 50/75/90 FL because the difficulty to focus, but no idea someone would leave it always on the camera, also for 35mm lenses.

I guess my point it's to see better inside the VF, and be more comfortable in the process of shooting cause my bony face. And I thought that the EyeCup (w/o magnification) or even a de-magnifier 0.85x was for me, cause would zoom out the frame lines to see better the 35 ones. But I guess it's mandatory trying out both and decide.

 

[DonnaW]

I just got my match tech eye cup but unfortunately I also got a leica  1.5 diopter and discovered that I can't use both at the same time on my Leica m-10 monochrome.  Does anyone know if there is a solution ?  Maybe an adapter?  They are both 34mm ,  I think.  I do need the adapter.  Do I really need the eye cup?  I'm new to the M10 world.