earleygallery Posted July 24, 2020 Share #21 Posted July 24, 2020 Advertisement (gone after registration) I think one is meant to delight in these little foibles as a quirk of owning a 'hand built' product. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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aesop Posted August 9, 2020 Share #22 Posted August 9, 2020 On 7/24/2020 at 5:08 PM, earleygallery said: I think one is meant to delight in these little foibles as a quirk of owning a 'hand built' product. ...unbelievable levels of (price-associated?🙄) mithering here, James. Still, I'm sure the resultant slew of excellent images will justify all the faff. Expectations are high, non? S. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted August 10, 2020 Share #23 Posted August 10, 2020 Mithering? Fabulous! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archiver Posted August 18, 2020 Share #24 Posted August 18, 2020 On 7/24/2020 at 6:36 AM, 01af said: That's no information. It is just some rant. Yes—there's some problems with quality control. I bought a Leica M-A in 2015, and I kept replacing it until the third one. The first had an issue with the film transport (today I wish I had it fixed rather than replaced). The second had an issue with the film frame window; one of the corners wasn't perfectly straight. And yet, I am so happy with my decision to buy an M-A (or Emma, as I prefer to call her). This is the first time I've seen someone give their Leica a name, and 'Emma' is so apt and cute for the M-A. 🥰 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yaakov Posted August 26, 2020 Share #25 Posted August 26, 2020 On 7/23/2020 at 11:56 PM, gabrielaszalos said: This is ridiculous. What is this company doing really? I guess probably focusing on digital cameras. I can bet anything that Leica employees watch this forum. And if they don’t, stupid move. Please stop making film cameras if you’re not willing to do it right. WTF are we paying for? To wait for months after service? Disclaimer: I sent my camera to Wetzlar personally and it came back in 2 weeks (I live in Europe). This was about 2 months ago. Now I find my lens mount slightly loose. Not sure if normal, and not sure if it affects image quality. Probably not. I’m sick of worrying about this camera and discovering all kinds of issues about it, like my viewfinder having dust inside. I love using it, but it hurts to see things like this. I wish I could just take photos and ignore all of this. And I probably would if the camera costed 400€, not 8000€ (with lens) This is exactly my feeling, and then you find people here "protecting" the good name of their cameras telling people with issues that everything is fine, I would not be surprised if those were actually the Leica employees. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted August 26, 2020 Share #26 Posted August 26, 2020 8 hours ago, Yaakov said: This is exactly my feeling, and then you find people here "protecting" the good name of their cameras telling people with issues that everything is fine, I would not be surprised if those were actually the Leica employees. I can’t say I’ve seen this. The most common reply is “I don’t have this problem with my camera. You should send yours back to Leica.” We do get people with genuine grievance (poor service) and this community is quick to offer support. Then on other occasions, we get people complaining bitterly about faulty cameras without actually doing anything about it. My approach is, if something goes wrong, I send it back, and each time (for me) Leica fixes it. They’ve always been good at fixing things for me and supportive. When they haven’t fixed things properly, or they’ve tried to avoid an issue, this forum is very quick to assist and Is effective. Most here buy Leica because their cameras are different, and a bit special; despite the odd problem and because their service is generally good. I also have an M-A, and I am grateful to Leica that they still make it. But, they seem to rely on a very small and diminishing pool of expertise, and they make them in small batches to meet a very modest market. That can make it seem, I suspect, like a parts bin special. I don’t think it is a big contributor to Leica’s bottom line (the quantities are too small), but they still make them ... 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
250swb Posted August 27, 2020 Share #27 Posted August 27, 2020 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) 23 hours ago, Yaakov said: This is exactly my feeling, and then you find people here "protecting" the good name of their cameras telling people with issues that everything is fine, I would not be surprised if those were actually the Leica employees. Yes, I think you are onto something. As 'Complainer-in-Chief' you should also look into them being Satan worshipers, or worse! I mean, how dare they say 'everything is fine'? This should be elevated to Twitter and Facebook, you'll not be dismissed as a crank there. Edited August 27, 2020 by 250swb 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yaakov Posted August 27, 2020 Share #28 Posted August 27, 2020 1 hour ago, 250swb said: Yes, I think you are onto something. As 'Complainer-in-Chief' you should also look into them being Satan worshipers, or worse! I mean, how dare they say 'everything is fine'? This should be elevated to Twitter and Facebook, you'll not be dismissed as a crank there. What a troll and thanks for the title 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StephenH Posted September 6, 2020 Share #29 Posted September 6, 2020 On 7/22/2020 at 3:26 AM, swordmanc said: Actually it's the 4th brand new M-A I've touched so far. I noticed the latch on the bottom plate has changed its finish from chrome to black, and there's a WEEE symbol (no trashcan) sticker. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Like all previous 3 brand new M-As, this M-A also has some minor issues, e.g. its frame counter doesn't reset and gets stuck at "20". I have to hold the camera tight and push the top plate from back, to somehow release the tension inside and then it will reset. Another thing I notice is the front facing viewfinder glass is now more embedded in the frame, rather than almost perfectly level to the frame in my previous M-A. After a couple M-As, I am not expecting a perfect camera anymore. They all have some issues here and there. The first one has a loose lens mount, though I got it fixed by Leica later, it took months. Besides, its shutter release button is still not the smoothest. The bottom plate of the second M-A has a lot of play and makes an annoying cracking sound when you hold the camera to change lens. The third one has the same issue with the bottom plate, plus a big dust specs in the brand new view finder, and the frame counter doesn't reset. That's why I returned it and exchanged for the fourth one, which I think I will keep it despite the extra effort to reset the frame counter, and its release button is a bit tight. I still like the M-A, its viewfinder is really bright and enjoyable, although I wish it can have a 0.9x version for 50mm lenses (without extra magnifier), and that's why I'm getting a second one. However, it's really not easy to get a great copy of it these days. The price of M-A even increased this year, but based on my experience so far, I really doubt it's living up to the price tag. So just share my experience with you. I think you’d be much happier with a CLA’d M3. Any imperfections found in that camera could be considered part of its personality.. Loose lens mounts and cracking sounds? I wouldn’t call those imperfections, they are defects. As far as finder magnification, the M3 has its standard .93–almost as good as my Nikon SP! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
swordmanc Posted September 18, 2020 Author Share #30 Posted September 18, 2020 (edited) On 9/6/2020 at 4:29 AM, StephenH said: I think you’d be much happier with a CLA’d M3. Any imperfections found in that camera could be considered part of its personality.. Loose lens mounts and cracking sounds? I wouldn’t call those imperfections, they are defects. As far as finder magnification, the M3 has its standard .93–almost as good as my Nikon SP! I do have a m3 and m2 too, I like 50mm on m3 better than on m-a, but the focus patch on m3 is just a bit dim especially now I am so used to the bright m-a viewfinder. Also the loading on m3 is just slow... BTW, a few weeks ago I got reply from leica support saying they won't be able to replace the viewfinder with a 0.93x on m-a. Just FYI. Edited September 18, 2020 by swordmanc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BradS Posted September 20, 2020 Share #31 Posted September 20, 2020 It is certainly disappointing to hear these stories. I cannot imagine what Leica are thinking. How could they allow the quality of their (film?) products to sink to such a dramatically low level? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matlock Posted September 21, 2020 Share #32 Posted September 21, 2020 9 hours ago, BradS said: How could they allow the quality of their (film?) products to sink to such a dramatically low level? They haven't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BradS Posted September 21, 2020 Share #33 Posted September 21, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Matlock said: They haven't. Huh? Are you saying that this story and the many others like it is false? Surely, the quality of the Leica film M cameras was better than this at some point in the past? Maybe we have to go all the way back to the M2 as some have suggested but...??? Edited September 21, 2020 by BradS Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matlock Posted September 21, 2020 Share #34 Posted September 21, 2020 1 hour ago, BradS said: Huh? Are you saying that this story and the many others like it is false? Surely, the quality of the Leica film M cameras was better than this at some point in the past? Maybe we have to go all the way back to the M2 as some have suggested but...??? Yes, for the main part, although some problems occur from time to time (as with any product). The vast majority of M film purchasers just get on and use their cameras, but it seems that a few have to have a moan, usually without cause. I have a new M-A and MP with absolutely no problems and I know of no problems with people that I have contact with. The only problems that I have encountered are on this forum. Also we have at least one "Complainer-in-Chief" on this forum. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BradS Posted September 21, 2020 Share #35 Posted September 21, 2020 5 hours ago, Matlock said: Yes, for the main part, although some problems occur from time to time (as with any product). The vast majority of M film purchasers just get on and use their cameras, but it seems that a few have to have a moan, usually without cause. I have a new M-A and MP with absolutely no problems and I know of no problems with people that I have contact with. The only problems that I have encountered are on this forum. Also we have at least one "Complainer-in-Chief" on this forum. Help me understand...are you saying that these stories about defects in brand new Leica MA and MP are just being made up? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matlock Posted September 21, 2020 Share #36 Posted September 21, 2020 1 minute ago, BradS said: Help me understand...are you saying that these stories about defects in brand new Leica MA and MP are just being made up? Not all, but some are. We had one person who complained bitterly about the performance of his M-A but who later admitted that he had only had it for one hour before sending it back. Not related to Leicas, but I am a member of a forum in which a limited edition item was reviewed. It got favourable comments until someone claimed that their item was rubbish. This was followed by a string of complaints along the same lines. The problem was that only 50 items had been produced and when the number of claims of it being poor reached around 70 the moderators decided to delete the thread. I am afraid that we have a number of Trolls even on this forum (luckily they are very much in the minority) and these detract from those members who have a genuine grievance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.noctilux Posted September 21, 2020 Share #37 Posted September 21, 2020 If I remember correctly, each time there are some "faulty products", Leica replaced quickly when they can. Like all manually factoring, errors may occur and Leica Camera may deal with faulty products (or customer claim as ...) ASAP . In the past as user ( not fanboy ! ), many times, I appreciated Leitz/Leica services, some may be long run but even when past warranty period, they are always helpful. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BradS Posted September 21, 2020 Share #38 Posted September 21, 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, a.noctilux said: If I remember correctly, each time there are some "faulty products", Leica replaced quickly when they can. Like all manually factoring, errors may occur and Leica Camera may deal with faulty products (or customer claim as ...) ASAP . In the past as user ( not fanboy ! ), many times, I appreciated Leitz/Leica services, some may be long run but even when past warranty period, they are always helpful. but defects are defects...the fact that the company replaces the defective unit does not change the fact that the unit was defective. producing defects is, by definition, poor quality. Edited September 21, 2020 by BradS Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.noctilux Posted September 21, 2020 Share #39 Posted September 21, 2020 (edited) Yes, of course, defects are defects. Defects mean poor quality, yes depending on some parameters, percentage of products made, "vital parts" or esthetics, etc. Do Leica make them defective consciously ? If we live in perfect world, why do we need warranty on things we buy ? ... Please read my post #19 Maybe time has changed, since some years. Maybe MA-MP flawless technicians/workers replacing by less experienced people ? or ... As side note, I see another M-A user here 😉 Edited September 21, 2020 by a.noctilux Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
malligator Posted September 23, 2020 Share #40 Posted September 23, 2020 I bought my M-A at the beginning of July. Its fit, finish, and function have been flawless. Believe me, when it comes to "luxury" items like this I have an EXTREMELY critical eye for even the smallest of issues. I can't find any. It's been around my neck or over my shoulder everywhere I go for almost three months now without even a hint of a hiccup. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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