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LOOKING TO BUY LEICA/LEITS SUMMICRON 1:2/35MM F2, 8 ELEMENTS (version I form 1960')


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Sold mine to fund a part of an M10-P.
It was from 1958 for M3 with goggles, which I don't need any more as the M3 had to go also. 
I think pictures taken by an old Canadian Summilux 35 II might be close similar to the first Summicron, although it was built only with seven lenses and if you "forget" the 1.4 of the Summilux. 

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Sorry I missed the focus with the Cron on the M10. But another important point is condition of the lenses, they all look good but a closer look at the results let me think the condition of the Lux is better than the Cron, shows more contrast. Apart from that Lux and Cron draw similar but f1.4 adds coma, both are a littel soft wide open. Stopped down the sharpness is great and over the whole field - better than on later versions or the Cron. I can't remember the 2.8 much superior over the 3.5 Summaron but both f-stops are not that fast a s the others. Looking at the raw-files there is no great difference between M10 and Sony to my eyes, the edges are equally weak on both 😉

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54 minutes ago, giulio1986fi said:

I agree with you, you need to see it and test is on first. Can I ask you why you sold it, where you not happy with the results

Sorry my original post may not be that clear. I didn’t sell it in the end. It was at Red Dot Cameras during lockdown and when they reopened their online shop I requested the lens be returned. I was selling it as I had my eye on a black chrome 50 APO. I was planning to trade my normal 50 APO and cash for the the BC 50APO. I then came to my senses...

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vor 48 Minuten schrieb giulio1986fi:

...Do you find the Lux working well at f.14 and f.2 on a Sony Body

No, forget it or rave about it as charm, flair or even a special Leica look.😀
The further you open these old small lenses, the more problems you'll get with obliquely incident edge rays.
This was already the case in the era of analog photography and has increased even further with sensors from digital cameras, since these can better process light rays floating straight as possible.
Therefore, one tries to solve these problems with marginal rays by modern aspherical lenses or by adopting retrofocus constructions from the reflex technology or some trickery with sensors and internal processing inside the camera.
The best thing would be to build a curved sensor that could automatically be adapted to the requirements of the lens, unfortunately absolutely unaffordable...

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Get the Chinese 8 element 35mm f2 replica brand new for around $500 usd. Same exact thing w/sapphire red dot.

I'm waiting for mine as I always wanted this lens...and didnt want to pay the exaulted prices..

Shoulda picked up the 8 element offered to me 25 years ago for $400-

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On 6/11/2020 at 2:54 PM, giulio1986fi said:

Thank you, as well for the link.

I am quite amazed by the price too honestly, the 2.8 Summaron looks a good idea. Any suggestions where to find that, eventually in London or in England so it's easy to go and try it on.

Best,


Giulio.

The one lens I foolishly sold an regretted doing so!. Two years ago the Manchester Leica store had one in excellent condition and it was a pleasure to deal with the company when buying. The infinity lock I disliked but this is easily defeated with a tiny sliver from matchstick. They very rarely come up in the UK secondhand market.

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2 hours ago, tsleica said:

Get the Chinese 8 element 35mm f2 replica brand new for around $500 usd. Same exact thing w/sapphire red dot.

I'm waiting for mine as I always wanted this lens...and didnt want to pay the exaulted prices..

Shoulda picked up the 8 element offered to me 25 years ago for $400-

I've put a couple rolls of Fomapan through the 8-element replica.  It's nice.  You'll be happy with it; well worth the wait.  Excellent craftsmanship, and they say the optics mirror the original, but I have no experience with the original.  Great value in today's market.  

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I just picked up a very lovely condition Germany 35mm Summicron 8 elements from 1965.

The lens is a gem the rendering is very classic but with enough contrast and sharpness even wide open. 

Take care to find a lens which has not Haze or Fungus, because a lot on the market do have it. Best to have it CLA'd if this wasn't done recently. 

A quick pick with this lens on the M10

 

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23 hours ago, Milan_S said:

I just picked up a very lovely condition Germany 35mm Summicron 8 elements from 1965.

The lens is a gem the rendering is very classic but with enough contrast and sharpness even wide open. 

Take care to find a lens which has not Haze or Fungus, because a lot on the market do have it. Best to have it CLA'd if this wasn't done recently. 

A quick pick with this lens on the M10

 

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Thank you, looks stunning. Are you using it on a Leica or Sony body.

Where have you found the lens.

 

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45 minutes ago, giulio1986fi said:

Thank you, looks stunning. Are you using it on a Leica or Sony body.

Where have you found the lens.

 

I use it on a Leica m10 and M246 Monochrom, I would not advice this lens for other bodies besides Leica. 

The corners will be mushy and sharpness and rendering will not be the same...

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I got my 8-element back from a CLA last week. What a difference! As others have reported it's surprisingly good across the field but much lower contrast that newer lenses and quite a bit of focus shift from f2-f2.8. Looks great through. Not $3000 great.

 

I was lucky enough to get mine for about 200 pounds back in the mid-nineties. At this rate it'll be paying for my retirement.

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The first version of the 35mm Summicron f2, the famous 8 elements Germany version on Leica m10 and fabulous Ostrich case by Angelo Smaldore.

Shot on Leica S007 with Summicron-S 100mm f2.0 ASPH

 

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Best overall 35mm lens if you ask me. Only lens i ever regretted selling. Bought one again and definitely not selling this one :)

The price has also increased a lot in the last year and doesn't seem it will stop going up...

If you just want to have one lens, the lux 35mm asph is a better all-rounder, but if you want a small/light 35mm with an amazing bokeh & classical rendering wide open, while being super sharp beyond f4, the 8e is definitely the best. i much prefer it to the v4 cron or the lux pre-asph, both in terms of build quality 6 rendering.

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I have a 35 Summicron version 1 from 1962; the goggled version I have no idea where you can get one, goggled or not, but if you really want one then perhaps sent a note to official Leica dealers about your interest. Most likely, a Leica dealer will make sure that the used lens is in good condition. BTW, the goggled version works just fine on a M9 or M240, just as it did on M3, M4, and M6. What I found is that the contrast at f/2.8  and smaller is much greater than at f/2; that is probably true when using film but not as obvious as one would work with whatever neg in the darkroom. I purchased a current version of the 35 Summicron and am happy with the new one. Not sure if I want to sell the old one, I was going to trade all my film M's and older lenses just before Covid hit, and now I'm not sure if I want to part with that equipment, equipment that I do not use – go figure!

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