A new land for Leica

[jankap]

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What do we think of a camera? I´ll give it a try.

Is it something, that we use as an instrument of Leica or Canon only to use it. To see if it still works or to indicate, that we have the money or the love to use an antique, exotic or expensive tool. Here the use of a camera as it is, more or less independent of the result it produces.

Another possibility is, that the camera is used as a technical instrument to cut a part out of the reality. Only a part: visual and time limited. Time limited, that means it gives a statistical added result over a certain time. Visual limited, because it gives only an angle of view of the reality. Up till now the tool can only document a plane of the reality in a high quality. The depth of scene is being neglected and documented in a bad quality. Here the use the camera as a tool for documentation.

As a third way, the camera can be used as an artistic tool. Here the camera is used to produce figurative art, so in a limited way. The result can be something like coming from Rembrandt up to that of Van Gogh. Art can but must not be a try to document reality.

Edited July 15, 2020 by jankap

[Herr Barnack]

On 7/13/2020 at 4:39 PM, evikne said:

Having too many lenses only makes decisions harder. I strive hard to keep the number down. 😄

I have found this to be true also. 

With regard to M lenses, Leica makes it damn near impossible to stave off lens GAS though. 

I have been GASing for a 28 Summilux M since the day they were announced.

[pgk]

11 hours ago, FlashGordonPhotography said:

Changing the physical operation to something different might just be trying to reinvent the wheel. Although for the majority, one might argue that it has in fact happened, with the development of the cell phone camera, which probably has more R&D thrown at it than traditional cameras.

The cell or mobile 'phone is a travesty of ergonomics if its used to create images. The after market caters for this with vast quantities of gadgetry. I wonder if there will ever be any compromise between 'cameras' (being designed fundamentally to produce images) and 'phones (designed primarily as communication devices) or whether they are inevitably a compromise one way or another. It is interesting that no manufacturer has fitted a 'phone into a camera.

Of course it may be that base perceptions of photography are/have changed and that (as has bee discussed in other threads) there is an increasing gif between image creators and image takers which has, as yet, not been appreciated?

[Exodies]

The main link to the past is the lens. Get rid of that device whose design dealt with the limitations of the sensor (film) and cameras can move forward.

All we need is a frame and a means of recording all the information carried by the light passing through it at the time we say “now”.

Edited July 19, 2020 by Exodies

[Francran]

On 7/15/2020 at 10:27 AM, willeica said:

Again, we need to look beyond Lytro, which is just one particular innovation. If you like changing lenses I am sure that there will be plenty of cameras to do this with for many years to come, particularly the M which is resolutely in the 'old school' camp. In my own case, most of my favourite cameras (with the possible exception of the M3) were made before 1940. However, there seems to me to be a serious lack of innovation in respect of the possibilities for digital imaging. Most digital cameras with interchangeable lenses are still built on a basic model created in the era when 35mm film was king and when digital imaging and its possibilities could not even be imagined.

William

Hi William

I was wondering about this and I thought about the Rollie 3003 camera.

I never used one but it seemed to be a real attempt to innovate and change the basic layout of the 35mm SLR camera. The concept of an interchangeable magazine back on 35mm seemed fantastic but I believe failed to actually sell very well.

Maybe it was presumed unreliability or a dependence on battery power that killed it off?

Regards Francis

[willeica]

3 hours ago, Francran said:

I was wondering about this and I thought about the Rollie 3003 camera.

Too big, too expensive and too complex. Any design to replace the traditional camera layout needs to be compact, reasonably priced and intuitive to use. Lessons can be taken from the fact that smartphones are by far the most common cameras used on the planet and all of this has happened in less than a generation. That does not mean that this is the exact route that should be followed, but it gives some notion of what routes might be taken. I would suspect that most professional photographers today also use their smartphones to get quick shots for breaking stories.

William

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On 6/5/2020 at 1:03 PM, Stefanomattia said:

 

 

 

 

 

Hi everyone,
yesterday I was thinking about the fact that LEICA has a potential Best Seller not yet realized, which could potentially have a very strong impact on the market.
Everyone knows the legendary M series, which is surely fantastic but that also follows a specific philosophy (not the subject of this discussion) that can scare or not be interesting for all that photographers who are looking for autofucus and big Mega Pixel.
On the other hand it produces the fantastic Q line (of which I am a very happy owner) which has excellent performance in terms of autofocus, stabilization and Mega Pixel, but which is specifically design for photographers not looking for the interchangeability of the optics.
There is certainly the SL series, that anyhow sacrifices one of the most beautiful characteristic of Leica, namely the compactness of body and optics.
Wouldn't it be great to have a LEICA with body and characteristics of the Q, but with compact interchangeable M-style lenses? Price permitting, I would be the first to be interested.
What do you think is the potential difficulty of this approach? Probablement it would be necessary to motorize the optics of the M series, but given the experience with the summilux 28 1.7 of the Q I think that LEICA has all the skills to do it.
I'm curious to know your opinions.

Regards
Stefano

 

 

 

 

I think the problem you are going to find is that if you treat people as if the same thought hasn't already crossed their own minds they are going to think you are treating them as idiots. I mean, how many times can a Leica camera be re-designed to make it 'just for me, me, me' ?

[jaapv]

A bit harsh, I think. Yes, the OP did miss the essence of a Leica M, but there is no harm in that, There are billions of people who do...

[cirke]

I'm never buying any more a  M unless he's got a built in EVF