ramarren Posted May 31, 2020 Share #61 Posted May 31, 2020 Advertisement (gone after registration) 4 hours ago, thatkatmat said: When you say "Only dedicated L-mount lenses can auto zoom on focusing operations" are you talking about on an "SL"? Because I have 2, "SL" lenses and neither "auto zooms" like I wish they would, on my SL. It's been long enough since I had the SL and two SL lenses that I honestly don't recall whether if it had the auto zoom feature or not, and I have no native lenses for the CL with which to try. But what I said remains true: only native lenses can, because they're the only lenses that these bodies can be informed from and control sufficiently to do so. Whether they do or not is an implementation issue. In the CL instruction manual, Pp 43-44, the implication is that both peaking and magnification auto-zoom are on by default, and you can set the options to your preferences in the MENU > Focusing > Focus Assist submenu. There's an Auto Magnification option there that you can toggle on and off. In the SL instruction manual, there is no "Auto Magnification" option listed. G Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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cp995 Posted May 31, 2020 Share #62 Posted May 31, 2020 vor 10 Stunden schrieb lct: There is no automatic zooming with manual lenses. It is manual zooming only. If you have a Leica adapter, you can do it with a top dial and if you don't you must use the arrows for that. O.k., I thought it works like my M in LV does. Top Dial would be fine but arrows is o.k. too. So there's nothing left for me as an advantage of the original adapter. Saves a lot of money ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted May 31, 2020 Share #63 Posted May 31, 2020 Depends -- it will automatically recognize the lens and enable image zoom by the top wheel. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted May 31, 2020 Share #64 Posted May 31, 2020 7 hours ago, ramarren said: It's been long enough since I had the SL and two SL lenses that I honestly don't recall whether if it had the auto zoom feature or not, and I have no native lenses for the CL with which to try. But what I said remains true: only native lenses can, because they're the only lenses that these bodies can be informed from and control sufficiently to do so. Whether they do or not is an implementation issue. In the CL instruction manual, Pp 43-44, the implication is that both peaking and magnification auto-zoom are on by default, and you can set the options to your preferences in the MENU > Focusing > Focus Assist submenu. There's an Auto Magnification option there that you can toggle on and off. In the SL instruction manual, there is no "Auto Magnification" option listed. G I have never seen auto-magnification work. Peaking does. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp995 Posted May 31, 2020 Share #65 Posted May 31, 2020 vor 3 Stunden schrieb jaapv: Depends -- it will automatically recognize the lens and enable image zoom by the top wheel. O.k., for users who need this it might be helpfull. You're right, it depends ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicci78 Posted June 3, 2020 Share #66 Posted June 3, 2020 CL auto magnification is only for L-mount lenses in manual mode. There is no auto magnification for M or R lenses. Only liveview digital M bodies have a cam to detect manual focusing of M lenses, to activate auto magnification. M-Adapter-L does not have such cam. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicci78 Posted June 3, 2020 Share #67 Posted June 3, 2020 Advertisement (gone after registration) On 5/31/2020 at 7:26 AM, cp995 said: O.k., I thought it works like my M in LV does. Top Dial would be fine but arrows is o.k. too. So there's nothing left for me as an advantage of the original adapter. Saves a lot of money ... You will not save anything. If you end up buying an M-Adapter-L anyway. You will lose countless of time by applying manually the compulsory software correction. M and R lenses need them. You will end up with many photos without the right EXIF. Hence applying software corrections will be even harder. You won’t be able to move the focus point anywhere you want. Which is very handy for portrait shooting. For tripod use. And this can avoid focus shift, that some lenses are prone to : eg. Summilux-M 35mm asph (preFLE) So does it really worth saving couple of hundreds ? You already (or plan to) bought a really expensive CL. For real savings just forget any Leica lenses and body altogether. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thatkatmat Posted June 3, 2020 Author Share #68 Posted June 3, 2020 I just bought a Silver Leica branded one. Might as well get the best one. Thanks for everybody's input, ..:Invaluable! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp995 Posted June 3, 2020 Share #69 Posted June 3, 2020 (edited) vor 53 Minuten schrieb nicci78: ... You will lose countless of time by applying manually the compulsory software correction. M and R lenses need them. Does the CL not apply the lens correction, if I select the lens in the camera menu? Can this only be done in Post? Selecting a lens in the menu is not a big problem, I know it from my M Edited June 3, 2020 by cp995 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramarren Posted June 3, 2020 Share #70 Posted June 3, 2020 9 minutes ago, cp995 said: Does the CL not apply the lens correction, if I select the lens in the camera menu? Can this only be done in Post? Selecting a lens in the menu is not a big problem, I know it from my M I know that with third-party adapters, you can select a lens profile for M and R lenses. What I have not found tested definitively is whether the CL body actually honors and embeds that profile correction into the DNG raw files. I know for a fact that when a profile is selected with the Leica M Adapter L, when used alone or stacked with the R Adapter M, or the R Adapter L is used, lens profiles selected via the six-bit code or manually selected are embedded into the DNG raw files and the corrections are applied in compatible raw processing software (like Lightroom Classic). G Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicci78 Posted June 3, 2020 Share #71 Posted June 3, 2020 (edited) Contrary to digital, that does not require adapter to mount M lens. A dumb M mount to L mount does not call lens menu selection. You have to use Leica official M-Adapter-L Same for R lenses on digital M or TL/CL/SL cameras. You need to use and stack R-Adapter-M with M-Adapter-L or R-Adpater-L. Otherwise no menu selection nor ROM detection. Panasonic and Sigma L-mount camera will only recognise focal length through 6-bit coded M lenses through Leica official M-Adapter-L. This will allow IBIS and Auto ISO to work properly. But they will not apply any automatic software correction. These features are exclusive to the use of Leica bodies + Leica adapters + Leica M or R lenses Missing one of the three ? You lose the whole benefits of lens recognition/menu selection, hence the automatic software correction. Just remember that Leica does not want to die, by allowing people to get full benefits of their work through other body brands, dumb adapters nor third party M mount lenses. They want you to buy only their stuff, from the start to the end. Edited June 3, 2020 by nicci78 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicci78 Posted June 3, 2020 Share #72 Posted June 3, 2020 Leica prices are really high. But they are a niche camera manufacturer. If you want to support them, buy their stuff. During the pandemic, they will need all the support. Camera sales are as low as ever. Summer season with travel limitations will slash their sales even more. Leica is even more unfortunate, because they own their brick and mortar stores. That means paying rent for no revenue at all. They do not have powerful parent company selling other really profitable products or services. So they rely on camera sales only. With COVID-19 any company could die. Especially smaller ones. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted June 3, 2020 Share #73 Posted June 3, 2020 6-bit profiles are indeed embedded in the CL's DNG files. Easy to check with DNG Cleaner. Distortion correction are obvious there and sometimes obviously wrong when applying Leica profiles to non-Leica lenses. I don't code my CV 35/2 anymore for this reason. But the 7art 35/2 needs coding to correct distortion, at least my early copy does. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp995 Posted June 3, 2020 Share #74 Posted June 3, 2020 vor einer Stunde schrieb nicci78: Contrary to digital, that does not require adapter to mount M lens. A dumb M mount to L mount does not call lens menu selection. You have to use Leica official M-Adapter-L The question was, if there is a difference between a manual and an automatic input of the lens data. With my M there is no difference if I add a profile manual via menu or automatic via 6-Bit code reader. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted June 3, 2020 Share #75 Posted June 3, 2020 2 minutes ago, cp995 said: The question was, if there is a difference between a manual and an automatic input of the lens data. With my M there is no difference if I add a profile manual via menu or automatic via 6-Bit code reader. My CL cannot recognize coded 35/2 and 35/1.4 pre-asph lenses so it asks what version to apply manually. Otherwise zero difference AFAIK. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicci78 Posted June 3, 2020 Share #76 Posted June 3, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, cp995 said: The question was, if there is a difference between a manual and an automatic input of the lens data. With my M there is no difference if I add a profile manual via menu or automatic via 6-Bit code reader. CL is not a digital M ! CL has L-mount native and digital M has native M-mount. So without L-Adapter-M you do not have access to 6-bit reader nor lens menu selection in CL. Both case works perfectly if you have Leica adapter. But if you do not have access to them, due to dumb adapter, you will not have software correction at all. Edited June 3, 2020 by nicci78 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted June 3, 2020 Share #77 Posted June 3, 2020 2 hours ago, lct said: My CL cannot recognize coded 35/2 and 35/1.4 pre-asph lenses so it asks what version to apply manually. Otherwise zero difference AFAIK. No difference on Leica adapters i meant. I have no experience with non Leica adapters but what nicci78 wrote above does make sense if those adapters are passive obviously. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted June 3, 2020 Share #78 Posted June 3, 2020 1 hour ago, nicci78 said: CL is not a digital M ! CL has L-mount native and digital M has native M-mount. So without L-Adapter-M you do not have access to 6-bit reader nor lens menu selection in CL. Both case works perfectly if you have Leica adapter. But if you do not have access to them, due to dumb adapter, you will not have software correction at all. You will have, if you choose from the menu list. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicci78 Posted June 3, 2020 Share #79 Posted June 3, 2020 But without proper adapter, the menu will not appear at all... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted June 3, 2020 Share #80 Posted June 3, 2020 58 minutes ago, nicci78 said: But without proper adapter, the menu will not appear at all... Why so? Hard to follow you here. Lenses are listed in the camera firmware, not the adapter aren't they? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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