No more cruising for a while.

[Louis]

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[prk60091]

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[newnew]

Right Louis. Venice will take a breath I hope !

[Louis]

Ali, I am glad to see you mentioning Venice. I found nothing uglier than those huge cruise ships passing by the breathtaking monuments in Venice. It just looked wrong!

[fotografr]

Those beasts can all go belly up as far as I'm concerned. They are a pox on the planet. As soon as they get into international waters they jettison their waste right into the ocean. I've never understood the appeal of packing onto one of those massive floating germ incubators.

Edited April 6, 2020 by fotografr

[pgk]

3 hours ago, fotografr said:

As soon as they get into international waters they jettison their waste right into the ocean.

I very much doubt it. Too may witnesses to something which is quite illegal and far too much competition (was anyway) to earn a reputation for doing such things. I've not looked into the mpg equivalence of large cruise liners but it would be interesting to do so.

[stuny]

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I too am no fan of cruising and cruise ships.  In most of their ports of call they dock in rather uninteresting locations, and the passengers get little or no experience of the real place they are visiting.  One of my colleagues jokes with me that hell for me would be a Disney super bowl cruise.

[fotografr]

58 minutes ago, pgk said:

I very much doubt it. Too may witnesses to something which is quite illegal and far too much competition (was anyway) to earn a reputation for doing such things. I've not looked into the mpg equivalence of large cruise liners but it would be interesting to do so.

Doubt it if you like, but you might want to read this.

https://www.npr.org/2019/06/04/729622653/carnival-cruise-lines-hit-with-20-million-penalty-for-environmental-crimes

[pgk]

I very much doubt much of this happens in Europe - all the ships I've been on (mostly smaller boats and ferries but a few cruise style ships) have signs all over the place warning about how throwing any rubbish overboard is prohibited and illegal - so the ships would be quickly be spotted and in trouble if they did so too. It would also be very bad PR.

[fotografr]

8 minutes ago, pgk said:

I very much doubt much of this happens in Europe - all the ships I've been on (mostly smaller boats and ferries but a few cruise style ships) have signs all over the place warning about how throwing any rubbish overboard is prohibited and illegal - so the ships would be quickly be spotted and in trouble if they did so too. It would also be very bad PR.

You have a good deal more faith in cruise line companies than I do. It's not a question of doing it in Europe or the US. They do it in international waters. When they get caught they pay the fine and move on. The public quickly forgets. The fact that you still have your doubts leads me to think you may not have read the entire article I linked. This was not a one-time violation. The cruise line has a long history of dumping.

Edited April 6, 2020 by fotografr

[pgk]

I did see that it wasn't the first time they'd don this. Its not faith in cruise line companies, its faith in the impact of the bad publicity that a company here would get. I've been on the bridges of a few ships and unless the officers are exceptional actors then I would say that those that I have met are responsible and wouldn't discharge rubbish at sea. I've also watched rubbish being unloaded and sewage being pumped ashore int the dock sewers, so I know that systems are both in place and are used. That said, if it cheaper then some will be tempted.

[prk60091]

48 minutes ago, fotografr said:

Doubt it if you like, but you might want to read this.

https://www.npr.org/2019/06/04/729622653/carnival-cruise-lines-hit-with-20-million-penalty-for-environmental-crimes

not the only instances of them polluting the seas  and that report was from 2019 --- and the resultant publicity did nothing to slow the 'industry' down.

Edited April 6, 2020 by prk60091

[Leica28]

On 4/6/2020 at 12:58 PM, pgk said:

I very much doubt it. Too may witnesses to something which is quite illegal and far too much competition (was anyway) to earn a reputation for doing such things. I've not looked into the mpg equivalence of large cruise liners but it would be interesting to do so.

Actually it is true.  Carnival (who owns Cunard and a bunch of others) is the biggest violator.  They routinely dump their waste tanks at night and in international waters.  They have been fined more money than God and still do it.  If you or I engaged in such behavior we would be arrested and put away for being habitual offenders.  Carnival gets away it by buying their way out of it.  

Edited April 11, 2020 by Leica28

[pgk]

Well it all seems a bit irrelevant at this moment in time https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/apr/11/cruise-firms-face-off-the-scale-challenge-in-wake-of-coronavirus doesn't look like they are going to be dumping anything for a long time.