jto555 Posted February 22, 2020 Share #1 Posted February 22, 2020 Advertisement (gone after registration) I just photographed an event and when I checked my files they were shot in JPEG only. I always shoot in RAW and yes I never checked before the event. So please don't tell me that I should always check - I know! I am kicking myself. So the issue. The JPEG files open up to 4.9MB only, not the normal 68.3MB I normaly see from the converted RAWs. This is shooting in JPEG Fine and JPEG Basic. My firmware is 2.0.6. Is this a new bug, can anybody else replicate the issue? I certainly don't remember the camera shooting such small JPEG files before. If anybody who is on an earlier firmware could shoot JPEG Fine and see what size the file opens up to that would be great. John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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fotomas Posted February 22, 2020 Share #2 Posted February 22, 2020 Had you just before updated the firmware? In the past Leica-firmware updates set the camera back to JPEG without warning. Unfortunately I discovered this after a shooting with difficult light situations the other day. So most of the pictures wasn't usable. Would be far better if they set the camera to DNG instead, if the have to spoil my settings at all. Guess it could also happen, if you reset the camera to factory settings (but I have not intention to try this). Don't know what happend if the camera is out of energy for a longer time. My lesson learned was to make a file with my settings before I run a firmware-update and reload this afterwards. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted February 22, 2020 Share #3 Posted February 22, 2020 43 minutes ago, jto555 said: ??? I was going to tell you that i have never seen a 68.3MB jpeg file out of my M240 but i had not noticed that you referred to OoC jpegs. I only use them in jpeg basic format for smaller files than 4.9MB personally. I would be surprised if jpeg fine's are much larger but i may be wrong. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted February 22, 2020 Share #4 Posted February 22, 2020 10 hours ago, jto555 said: I just photographed an event and when I checked my files they were shot in JPEG only. I always shoot in RAW and yes I never checked before the event. So please don't tell me that I should always check - I know! I am kicking myself. So the issue. The JPEG files open up to 4.9MB only, not the normal 68.3MB I normaly see from the converted RAWs. This is shooting in JPEG Fine and JPEG Basic. My firmware is 2.0.6. Is this a new bug, can anybody else replicate the issue? I certainly don't remember the camera shooting such small JPEG files before. If anybody who is on an earlier firmware could shoot JPEG Fine and see what size the file opens up to that would be great. John Do you export the raws to TIFF? A JPG out of the 240 at max. quality should rarely exceed 20 MB, normally 12-18 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted February 23, 2020 Share #5 Posted February 23, 2020 Seems like the OP did not try SET > JPEG Resolution : 24MP. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotomas Posted February 23, 2020 Share #6 Posted February 23, 2020 vor 22 Stunden schrieb jaapv: Do you export the raws to TIFF? A JPG out of the 240 at max. quality should rarely exceed 20 MB, normally 12-18 Maybe he turned off the DNG-compression? Then this could be a valid value. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted February 23, 2020 Share #7 Posted February 23, 2020 Advertisement (gone after registration) Not for JPGs that should not make a difference. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotomas Posted February 23, 2020 Share #8 Posted February 23, 2020 Not for JPEGs, but he speaks from converted RAWs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
01af Posted February 24, 2020 Share #9 Posted February 24, 2020 Am 22.2.2020 um 12:33 schrieb jto555: The JPEG files open up to 4.9 MB only [...] Is this a new bug, can anybody else replicate the issue? That's a perfectly normal size for a JPEG file out of the Leica M (Typ 240). What makes you think there was a bug, or an issue? . Am 22.2.2020 um 12:33 schrieb jto555: ... not the normal 68.3 MB I normaly see from the converted raw files. You'll never see a JPEG file that huge converted from an M (Typ 240) raw file. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jto555 Posted February 24, 2020 Author Share #10 Posted February 24, 2020 8 minutes ago, 01af said: That's a perfectly normal size for a JPEG file out of the Leica M (Typ 240). What makes you think there was a bug, or an issue? . Jpeg Fine and Jpeg Basic save to the same file size which opens to 4.9MB. I can understand (and expect) the Basic file size to be low res but the Fine size should be much larger. That is the way it works on my Canon, which makes a lot of sense. Fine gives you the full res while Small gives about the same size as the Leica does. If it is not a bug then it is an oppertunity for Leica to improve the camera opperation. Fine (should) = High Res Basic = Low Res. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted February 24, 2020 Share #11 Posted February 24, 2020 The high res jpeg option is 24MP. You may wish to try SET > JPEG Resolution : 24MP Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jto555 Posted February 24, 2020 Author Share #12 Posted February 24, 2020 23 hours ago, lct said: Seems like the OP did not try SET > JPEG Resolution : 24MP. You are a genius! That is exactly what was set on the camera. I never use Jpeg only DNG so I had not changed that setting to 24MB. it was set to 1.7MB. I have changed it now!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted February 24, 2020 Share #13 Posted February 24, 2020 Just now, jto555 said: You are a genius! You should tell my wife this Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jto555 Posted February 24, 2020 Author Share #14 Posted February 24, 2020 Fixed! Camera is set that when it shoots Jpeg it shoots with the 24MB setting and now it opens up to 67.6MB in Photoshop. Happy days!!! ( Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jto555 Posted February 24, 2020 Author Share #15 Posted February 24, 2020 2 minutes ago, lct said: You should tell my wife this Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jto555 Posted February 24, 2020 Author Share #16 Posted February 24, 2020 33 minutes ago, 01af said: You'll never see a JPEG file that huge converted from an M (Typ 240) raw file. I do, in face when I open the files as 16 bit images (I know they are not really 16bit) the file size is 136.5MB. Converted to 8bit they are 68.3MB. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
01af Posted February 24, 2020 Share #17 Posted February 24, 2020 vor 5 Minuten schrieb jto555: JPEG Fine and JPEG Basic save to the same file size which opens to 4.9 MB. That's impossible as for any set of real-world JPEG files, the individual files all will have different sizes. That's because the file size depends, among other things, on the image content. So on average, JPEG Fine files should have more bytes than JPEG Basic files (from the same camera) ... but the individual files' sizes should all be different. You might, by chance, encounter one JPEG Basic file and one JPEG Fine file that happen to be 4.9 MB both ... but the next JPEG file will be some other size. . vor 5 Minuten schrieb jto555: Fine (should) = High Res Basic = Low Res 'Fine' and 'Basic' are two different JPEG compression levels. They have nothing to do with resolution. For JPEG format, you can choose between various different resolutions but that's a different thing. It hardly ever makes sense to choose anything but the maximum resolution (which for the M (Typ 240) is 24 MP). . vor 2 Minuten schrieb jto555: Camera is set that when it shoots JPEG it shoots with the 24 MB setting and now it opens up to 67.6 MB in Photoshop. Oh, I see. So you're confusing MP and MB (megapixel and megabyte) — no wonder your statements didn't make any sense ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jto555 Posted February 25, 2020 Author Share #18 Posted February 25, 2020 5 hours ago, 01af said: That's impossible as for any set of real-world JPEG files, the individual files all will have different sizes. That's because the file size depends, among other things, on the image content. So on average, JPEG Fine files should have more bytes than JPEG Basic files (from the same camera) ... but the individual files' sizes should all be different. You might, by chance, encounter one JPEG Basic file and one JPEG Fine file that happen to be 4.9 MB both ... but the next JPEG file will be some other size. . 'Fine' and 'Basic' are two different JPEG compression levels. They have nothing to do with resolution. For JPEG format, you can choose between various different resolutions but that's a different thing. It hardly ever makes sense to choose anything but the maximum resolution (which for the M (Typ 240) is 24 MP). . Oh, I see. So you're confusing MP and MB (megapixel and megabyte) — no wonder your statements didn't make any sense ... I'm over it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marchyman Posted February 25, 2020 Share #19 Posted February 25, 2020 On 2/24/2020 at 10:17 AM, 01af said: That's impossible as for any set of real-world JPEG files, I believe you two are talking about different measurements. One is file size, the number of bytes of storage the file takes up on disk. The other is the number of pixels as reported by apps like Photoshop or Affinity Photo. Example 1: JPEG Image on disk is 1.8 MB. Affinity Photo says image is 7.99 MP. Example 2: TIFF image on disk is 51.6 MB on disk. Affinity Photo tells me the image contains 10.17 MP. Both those examples are correct. They are measuring different things. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sblutter Posted February 29, 2020 Share #20 Posted February 29, 2020 I only care about pictures I'm going to print & shoot in DNG only convert to jpg's if necessary (email, websites, wife request etc.) in PS Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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