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But we should not underestimate the hardware needs if doing a lot of retouching, composing and other postwork.
The filesize of tiffs and PSDs is much bigger than at 24MP. It is not only the storage space but one needs faster CPU, more RAM etc. Someone should calculate that if consider to go 45MP or bigger.
If you already got a fast PC/Mac no problem. Just one bigger Harddisk is to buy. But if your actual hardware  becomes sweaty if converting the actual SL RAWs, you should upgrade your hardware...

[Bonnitaet]

Just got my S1 & 24-105 & M Adapter.

 

The decision to buy the S1 was done within minutes: Leica M Adapter + 35 1.4 FLE and 75 2.0 APO for test purposes used. 
With Peaking only it was already pretty easy to focus. The additional magnfyiung is integrated in the total frame, the composing can still be seen. Also the magnifying can be changed in size. This was a pleasure to use.

Also I fell in love with the skin tones directly.

Initially I did not intend to take the 24-105. But toying around with the lense, I remarked the close focusing distance. 

AF Speed is more than good to me, as I felt already well suited with the AF of my Nikon D70 from 2004.

My Sony A7, A7II and A7RIII always was love-hate relationship. I like all but size and menus. Focusing with S1 is such a pleasure that I won't miss my TechArt Pro.

Now I got to wait for the MC 21 for my EF Lenses to join the party.

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Edited March 28, 2019 by Bonnitaet
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[LocalHero1953]

Reports on the Q2 suggest image processing is slower than the Q. These things will take a while to reach a consistent view on the impact of more pixels, compressed or not, RW1 or DNG. As I said before, I don't need or want more pixels, and that affects my buying decisions. Others can buy what they like. 

[Teddy69]

vor 16 Minuten schrieb Bonnitaet:

Hab gerade meine S1 & 24-105 & M Adapter in Empfang genommen.

 

Die Entscheidung, die S1 zu kaufen, fiel nach wenigen Minuten: Leica M Adapter + 35 1.4 FLE und 75 2.0 APO angesetzt. 
Allein mit Peaking war schon easy fokussieren. Aber dazu noch die Lupe, die man in das normale Framing einblenden kann, d.h. man sieht immer noch die Komposition, dazu kann man auch den Ausschnitt verschieben und in der Größe ändern, der vergrößert werden soll, das war so genial, dass die Entscheidung sofort gefallen ist. 

In die Hauttöne war ich sofort verliebt.

Das 24-105 wollte ich eigentlich gar nicht, aber dann fiel mir beim Rumspielen die Naheinstellgrenze auf, also doch genommen. Außerdem bin ich, was ein WW an meiner 246 angeht, noch nicht einig & fündig geworden, so habe ich zumindest 24mm an der S1. 
AF damit ist mir mehr als schnell genug, mir reichte schon der AF meiner Nikon D70 von 2004. 

Die Sony A7 (dann A7II, dann A7RIII) habe ich zwar, aber das war immer Hassliebe. Die S1 passt mir perfekt, sie könnte gerne (etwas) kleiner sein, und auch leichter, aber für den Sucher der S1 würde ich morden 😉 Das manuelle Fokussieren an der S1 geht so gut, dass ich den Techart Pro nicht vermissen werde. 

Die SR1 hätte ich vielleicht auch genommen, wenn sie da gewesen wäre, allerdings sind die 42 MP der A7RIII schon verdammt fordernd an die Hardware, mein PC ist nicht gerade schlecht, trotzdem muss ich bei C1 schon "warten" bis die entsprechenden  Arbeitsschritte gerechnet sind. 

Jetzt noch auf den MC 21 warten, dann kann ich auch meine EF anschließen. 

Die Sigma Art Reihe begeistert mich dagegen wenig, so toll sie auch optisch & preislich sein mögen, Größe und Gewicht sind für mich Killer. Auch wenn das ein wenig merkwürdig erscheinen mag, wenn man sich einen 1000gr Body kauft. 

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Wie sich Canon EF Objektive via MC 21 an S1 verhalten  wird mich sehr interessieren !!! 

[Chaemono]

vor 3 Stunden schrieb thighslapper:

It's IBIS + SL lenses that sells it to me regarding this camera..... and that's the one thing I'm doubtful about Leica implementing.

O ye, of little faith. You’ll be the first one to get an SL2...but only because Neil is out golfing. 😁

[thighslapper]

1 hour ago, Chaemono said:

O ye, of little faith. You’ll be the first one to get an SL2...but only because Neil is out golfing. 😁

No ...... I'll get it to complete my 'SL set' ...... you must collect all variants, lenses and accessories to be a true 'Leica Man'.

Anyway I doubt Neil is interested in anything as cheap and tawdry as an SL2. 

[DigitalHeMan]

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5 hours ago, Bonnitaet said:

Just got my S1 & 24-105 & M Adapter.

 

The decision to buy the S1 was done within minutes: Leica M Adapter + 35 1.4 FLE and 75 2.0 APO for test purposes used. 
With Peaking only it was already pretty easy to focus. The additional magnfyiung is integrated in the total frame, the composing can still be seen. Also the magnifying can be changed in size. This was a pleasure to use.

Also I fell in love with the skin tones directly.

Initially I did not intend to take the 24-105. But toying around with the lense, I remarked the close focusing distance. 

AF Speed is more than good to me, as I felt already well suited with the AF of my Nikon D70 from 2004.

My Sony A7, A7II and A7RIII always was love-hate relationship. I like all but size and menus. Focusing with S1 is such a pleasure that I won't miss my TechArt Pro.

Now I got to wait for the MC 21 for my EF Lenses to join the party.

M Apo Summicron 75mm 6400 ISO f2 1/200s

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Thanks for sharing. Would be interested in seeing how your experience with wider lenses is, especially if you have anything wider than your 35 FLE.... Also how is the handling of the camera with M lenses? Well balanced?

[rscheffler]

19 hours ago, thighslapper said:

21/3.4 and 50/2 apo are here if you haven't already downloaded them. https://www.dropbox.com/sh/1h4m2liexwmy9i5/AAChASGId81PNQo0r5E6pABsa?dl=0

I have sold all my other w/a M lenses except the WATE .... which has always performed well on non Leica sensors so I can't see the point testing it. 

Yes, I grabbed the 21 SEM samples; thanks for making them available. Still hoping to see more from others!

[Chaemono]

Just aesthetically speaking now, M lenses seem out of place on the S1/R. Whereas the 50 Noctilux and the SL look feel like they are made for each other, one wouldn’t want to be caught dead with this lens on the Panasonic. We are suckers for beauty, we spend a lot of time with our cameras, and we like them to feel and look right when we hold and use them. Which leads me to why Neil will probably get the SL2, to use his Naughtylux...with IBIS. 😁

[Bonnitaet]

11 hours ago, DigitalHeMan said:

Thanks for sharing. Would be interested in seeing how your experience with wider lenses is, especially if you have anything wider than your 35 FLE.... Also how is the handling of the camera with M lenses? Well balanced?

My widest M lens is the 35 FLE. Because, well, exactly these reasons, discussed since years, which one does work good not only on the M but also on the Sonys (until today) and now on the Panasonics. 

Currently I am looking for:

28mm Summilux, but seven grands is a steep investment, (I'd love it for sure). Even the summicron is still four grands.

Alternate to me is the Voigtlaender 28mm 2.0 Ultron.

Anything wider than 28 mm I always was happy with zoom lenses like the EF 16-35 /4 II. So 21mm summilux or Elmar are not really suiting me, I just use UWW to seldom to justify these prices. 

But I might give the Voigtlaender 21 3.5 a try. 

But I've to wait until I get any infos about the sensor stack/glass. 

( I am living in Bonn, Ger, if anybody likes to give it a try or sell lenses).

 

Handling Panasonic S1 with M Lenses:
I really like it. I like it way more than on the Sony bodies. And I don't even have big hands, but to big for the Sonys. The 50% more weight of the S1 compared to the A7RIII is really noticeable. It is only 350gr more, but this can also be seen as 50% more body weight. Imho it balances very well with my M Lenses (35 FLE, 50 Zeiss Sonnar 1.5, 75 Apo). This is most important to me, I've rarely used anything longer than 100mm, never anything more than 200mm. So big/fast/long primes or zooms have never been my concern or objective to worry about. 

But, I must admit, the overall handling is mostly set by that excellent viewfinder. To me, the viewfinder is the keypoint. 

Edited March 29, 2019 by Bonnitaet

[thighslapper]

Bizarrely the M mount w/a lens that was stellar performer on my SR1 was the Voigtlander 10mm/5.6. . 

The E-Mount Sony version apparently is excellent. Corner performance is almost the same as the centre. 

 

[AlanYWM]

Personally, I prefer the size of the a7RIII to the S1R. Especially with M lenses. I tried the 21mm summilux on the S1R and I don't like what I see at the corners. When I use my M lenses, I prefer the setup up to be small. Also, the a7RIII had no problems with my R lenses. With the S1R, I had to compensate for the approximately 2/3 stop under exposure when using R lens. Maybe Panasonic will come up with a firmware upgrade to resolve this.

[Chaemono]

α7R III only with Kolari mod. The Panasonic does better in the corners even with 50 mm lens. 

[mdemeyer]

19 hours ago, Chaemono said:

α7R III only with Kolari mod. The Panasonic does better in the corners even with 50 mm lens. 

Are you saying there is less corner smearing with the S1 than the Kolari mod Sony?  That would surprise (and delight) me.

[Chaemono]

No, I was confirming the previous post that α7R II/III probably do better but only as Kolari mods.

Edited March 30, 2019 by Chaemono

[Chaemono]

Steve Huff did a real world review of the Q2 which basically uses the same sensor as the S1R and his findings regarding malleability of the files and low light performance are not very flattering, to put it mildly. I believe that it's an honest review but the evidence is merely circumstantial and one cannot draw general conclusions from the samples to the extend Steve Huff does. I used the 24 MPx version of that sensor in form of the S1 and compared it to the α7R III. There are circumstances where Shadows cannot be lifted as much as with the Sony but then one can work with the Exposure slider in LR. Detail recovery in Highlights is better with the Sony but this is probably because of the higher pixel count. In terms of noise, the S1 has the best performance of any FF camera at high ISO I've seen. Also, the difference in EV isn't -1 as compared to the SL but more like -0.3 to -0.5 when the same lens is used on the Panasonic and on the Sony. I'd say the ISO values, therefore, are pretty comparable and one can simply use a slightly slower shutter speed on the S1 rather than higher ISO to match exposure to the α7R III. I can post pictures with the same lens on both cameras, but here I used the 50 Summilux-SL on the S1 and the FE 50/1.4 on the α7R III because I didn't want to switch lenses all the time. See for yourselves how malleable the S1 files are and high 'pleasant' the 'grain' is. 😁

 

Less compressed JPEGs here with equal amount of sharpening and NR in LR: https://www.smugmug.com/gallery/n-rbqRPm/

α7R III + FE 50/1.4. Exposure +0.70, Shadows +50, Sharpening +50, NR +60. ARW file here: https://cc2032.zenfolio.com/img/g174853105-o750076470.dat?dl=2&tk=yXhCg_dzNuWUlreuaBNX0UPy7Ou4HNiWAhF-SFnmM8Q=

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ISO 12800 f/1.4 @1/1250 sec.

 

S1 + 50 Summilux-SL. Exposure +70, Shadows +100, Sharpening +50, NR +60. DNG file here: https://cc2032.zenfolio.com/img/g355121928-o750076470.dat?dl=2&tk=VtMS0k_L65K68E7CKLdEdILUO9MsoNFJsizKEvPyiK4=

ISO 12800 f/1.4 @1/1250 sec.

[Chaemono]

How about these and the same ones below with Shadows +100 in each? 😁

 

ARW file: https://cc2032.zenfolio.com/img/g124435755-o750076470.dat?dl=2&tk=GeHV9RTdjTjZTTi8eLb4jrq1Emg7XrCI1eAUgYVXAr8=

α7R III

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ISO 12800 f/1.4 @1/2000 sec.

 

DNG file: https://cc2032.zenfolio.com/img/g207844151-o750076470.dat?dl=2&tk=t6WAkmF_H75cDY8fh81MAtPPU4bmBvEaJ5q8CyYkF8c=

S1

ISO 12800 f/1.4 @1/1600 sec.

[Chaemono]

And now with Shadows +100 and one can tell already that the Sony will look bad due to how the sensor just happened to captured the 'light' on the right hand side. Purely circumstantial, I'd say.

α7R III. Shadows +100

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ISO 12800 f/1.4 @1/2000 sec.

 

S1. Shadows +100

ISO 12800 f/1.4 @1/1600 sec.

[Chaemono]

How about these at ISO 1600? S1 with less noise, better Highlight recovery in the Sony picture, but it's 43 MPx vs. 24 MPx, remember.

ARW file here: https://cc2032.zenfolio.com/img/g180173471-o750076470.dat?dl=2&tk=9hT5gOfySUUTg7Wd3cnGpzbZZ9iCoTfJTBnyVMPXbzg=

α7R III

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ISO 1600 f/1.4 @1/640 sec.

 

DNG file here: https://cc2032.zenfolio.com/img/g514689352-o750076470.dat?dl=2&tk=WJhauOmlVvH6AFBswjwX9rwREv_Gt7w7h2CnfmdSQG0=

S1

ISO 1600 f/1.4 @1/400 sec.

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[Chaemono]

And now two at ISO 100. Limited Shadow recovery in the S1 file, as Steve Huff found in the Q2 file, but one can simply use the Exposure slider for the remainder. Not a big deal IMO and it may be intended that the files work this way.

ARW file: https://cc2032.zenfolio.com/img/g481966620-o750076470.dat?dl=2&tk=oIY6pRM4r6iIGyyt1CbLtuWhD2I-PcSXYLNCRoa6a30=

α7R III

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ISO 100 f/1.4 @1/400 sec.

 

DNG file: https://cc2032.zenfolio.com/img/g123620038-o750076470.dat?dl=2&tk=yPMLsqIP8WvWemefzviYMpcQC5rnA60hDnnkl4R5hlg=

S1

ISO 100 f/1.4 @1/320 sec.

Edited March 30, 2019 by Chaemono