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[ron777]

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I'd traded my GFX for a new SL because I had found the GFX to be ergonomically awkward, with its rear projecting LCD. In addition, I'd encountered considerable shutter lag.  The lag would not be an issue for landscape work, but it was for everything else.  Images, on the other hand, were beautiful, and I liked the functional aperture ring on the Fuji lenses.  That said, I am now transitioning to my recently arrived S1R and I am truly impressed by its imaging and handling ... the SL may be exiled to a shelf.

Edited April 7, 2019 by ron777

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[michali]

2 hours ago, relms said:

Mike,

I will be interested in hearing of your experience with the S1R and the 90-280 for wildlife work.  I am heading to South Africa early next month, and am thinking of bringing the S1R with the SL 90-280, along with the Sony a9 with 100-400 G Master.  

Thanks,
Robert

Robert,

I'll feedback as soon as I've had a chance to try it out, I've got trips to Tanzania and Botswana coming up. Re your visit to SA, I assume you're doing a safari?

If it's your first visit to SA, please feel free to send me a PM if you require any tips or advice.

Best,

Mike

[relms]

9 minutes ago, tom0511 said:

Mmhh, I am not convinced that the package is really any smaller than on of the more compact medium format cameras.

Tom, I did not mean to infer that the S1R is the smallest option, only that it is smaller than most medium format offerings.  The Hasselblad X1D, for example, is similar in size and a bit lighter.  Here are the comparisons between the X1D and S1R:  https://cameradecision.com/compare/Hasselblad-X1D-vs-Panasonic-Lumix-DC-S1R.  What is interesting to note, once you look beyond the physical dimensions, is just how much technology has advanced since the introduction of the X1D.

 

[verwackelt]

vor 10 Minuten schrieb ron777:

I'd traded my GFX for a new SL because I had found the GFX to be ergonomically awkward, with its rear projecting LCD. In addition, I'd encountered considerable shutter lag.  The lag would not be an issue for landscape work, but it was for everything else.  Images, on the other hand, were beautiful, and I liked the functional aperture ring on the Fuji lenses.  That said, I am now transitioning to my recently arrived S1R and I am truly impressed by its imaging and handling ... the SL may be exiled to a shelf.

Thank you for sharing your experience with the GFX. It was the missing tilt screen that keeps me waiting for a coming SL2 or if there will be not such a screen the S1R is my No. 1.
But i still find the GFX very pleasing. I had only some minutes to play with the camera and i find it suited my big hands very well.
You see i am torn between the 2 systems. Only a longer testrun of both cameras in Summer will help me to do the right decision…

[tom0511]

But lets not forget the x1d includes a medium format sensor with 16bit. From my side I am still surprised how big high quality FF lenses have become lately. I assume its because the quality of glass has to become better and better to serve the increasing resolution of those sensors. 

[relms]

You are correct about the size of newer glass, especially the zooms.  That's why I have bought mostly primes since my initial purchase of the huge SL 24-90, the only L-mount lens available at the time.  However, the Summicron-SL 75 and 90 are for me the perfect size, and they balance nicely with the SL and the S1R.

[ron777]

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20 minutes ago, verwackelt said:

Thank you for sharing your experience with the GFX. It was the missing tilt screen that keeps me waiting for a coming SL2 or if there will be not such a screen the S1R is my No. 1.
But i still find the GFX very pleasing. I had only some minutes to play with the camera and i find it suited my big hands very well.
You see i am torn between the 2 systems. Only a longer testrun of both cameras in Summer will help me to do the right decision…

You're welcome.  It's a super camera, just not for me.  I had hoped that it would have mimicked my medium format experience from yesteryear (film cameras), but when shooting opportunities arose I found myself reaching for my a7rIII, and not the GFX.  And to be honest, I was never thrilled with the a7rIII's ergonomics, to the extent that I could and can only consider using it with the battery grip attached, otherwise it is too small.  Now it is the Sony that is being left behind in favor of the SL and, more recently, the S1R. 

[FlashGordonPhotography]

1 hour ago, tom0511 said:

But lets not forget the x1d includes a medium format sensor with 16bit. From my side I am still surprised how big high quality FF lenses have become lately. I assume its because the quality of glass has to become better and better to serve the increasing resolution of those sensors. 

Unfortunately the sensor in the X1D is 14 bit. It's still a bit better than any 35mm sensor I've seen. The Leica S007 is 16 bit.

Gordon

[relms]

S1R + Summicron-SL 75

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It appears to pass the color test. 

[tom0511]

vor 7 Stunden schrieb FlashGordonPhotography:

Unfortunately the sensor in the X1D is 14 bit. It's still a bit better than any 35mm sensor I've seen. The Leica S007 is 16 bit.

Gordon

I really cant say to find the sensor in the S007 any better than the x1d, even if x1d is only 14 bits. I do prefer the S lenses though, at least for portraits and things like that.

But sorry for going to far off topic.

The images posted here look very good to me, hope to read more experience and see more images.

 

[tom0511]

has anybody here compared S1 and S1r image quality besides MP?

 

[Chaemono]

vor 9 Stunden schrieb FlashGordonPhotography:

Unfortunately the sensor in the X1D is 14 bit. It's still a bit better than any 35mm sensor I've seen. The Leica S007 is 16 bit.

Gordon

+1. Let’s not get carried away with FF high pixelcount + SL primes = MF. MF DR and color depth are still better. That rumored Sony 100 MPx FF sensor is supposedly 16 bit, though. This only makes sense if it also has better DR. Such a FF sensor, if it comes, coupled with lenses that do justice to it can approach cropped MF performance perhaps. So, we won’t just get to see each freckle on a face, but also be able to discern the range and distribution of their tones and the smoothness of gradation between them. 😉

Edited April 8, 2019 by Chaemono

[Chaemono]

Am 7.4.2019 um 03:29 schrieb relms:

100% crop of the above image.  Pretty impressive in my eye.

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Pretty soon only cellphone photographers will retain their compositional skills. The rest of us will only use one lens and just crop. 😂

[thighslapper]

A quick update on issues with using IBIS on non native mount lenses ......

it is EXTREMELY focal length sensitive ...... and if using any lenses where FL is not communicated to the camera it must be manually entered into the camera .... otherwise images will show movement, even at shutter speeds where you would expect to see none even without OIS. 

[AlanYWM]

5 minutes ago, thighslapper said:

A quick update on issues with using IBIS on non native mount lenses ......

it is EXTREMELY focal length sensitive ...... and if using any lenses where FL is not communicated to the camera it must be manually entered into the camera .... otherwise images will show movement, even at shutter speeds where you would expect to see none even without OIS. 

I have to agree. I find that up to 100mm, I am not experiencing any problem with the IBIS. But at 180mm onwards, it seems to be having some issues. Further testing is needed to confirm this.

[ron777]

47 minutes ago, AlanYWM said:

I have to agree. I find that up to 100mm, I am not experiencing any problem with the IBIS. But at 180mm onwards, it seems to be having some issues. Further testing is needed to confirm this.

Hasn't it already been established that OIS is more effective than IBIS with long lenses.  Perhaps the combination of stabilized, Panasonic telephoto L mount lenses will negate this issue.

[AlanYWM]

I just did another test using my R 70-180mm f2.8 on the S1R via Leica adapter. With IBIS switched off, I was still getting sharper images using electronic shutter versus mechanical shutter with focal lengths above 100mm. This was done on a sturdy tripod with 2sec timer. Anything above 135mm was slightly soft using mechanical shutter. 

[adamquesada]

Just to make sure.... you are going to "Image Stabilizer" and setting the focal length manually every time you change the zoom on the lens right? Or you can also set it to OFF if on tripod to avoid it causing soft shots.

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[AlanYWM]

23 minutes ago, adamquesada said:

Just to make sure.... you are going to "Image Stabilizer" and setting the focal length manually every time you change the zoom on the lens right? Or you can also set it to OFF if on tripod to avoid it causing soft shots.

Yes. I had IBIS switched off deliberately to see if there was any difference. Everything was done on a tripod.

[ron777]

Shutter shock?

I don't know if the Panasonic S Pro 70-200mm F/4 is available, but if so, it would helpful to determine if it exhibits the same issue.

Edited April 8, 2019 by ron777