Chaemono Posted January 26, 2020 Share #61 Posted January 26, 2020 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) The sun hasn't been out in ages and it's been foggy for a few days now. Hence, I had to look for artificial highlights to test the EV settings with this camera. In the first one here I used a whopping EV -5/3 (😂) because I wanted to make sure I didn't blow anything. Given what Gregory Simpson wrote, I knew the M10M files can be brightened/corrected with little regrets in post, particularly base ISO 160 files. Yellow filter used which is my default filter. Love the tones with it. Less compressed JPEGs here: https://www.smugmug.com/gallery/n-7XdTDJ/ M10M + APO 50 Summicron-M link to DNG download here: https://cc2032.zenfolio.com/img/g232960971-o750076470.dat?dl=2&tk=7f4CNP2goDoefkfbmTRtcR-kUyxxTHs9RFXu4ZfXZ2g= Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ISO 160 f/2 @1/90 sec. Same as above processed Edited January 26, 2020 by Chaemono 5 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ISO 160 f/2 @1/90 sec. Same as above processed ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/305695-lets-have-a-look-at-some-dng-files-from-the-m10m/?do=findComment&comment=3899924'>More sharing options...
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Chaemono Posted January 26, 2020 Share #62 Posted January 26, 2020 Ok, the next one with a setting of EV -2/3 on the camera. I was brave, I guess. 😁 Less compressed JPEGs here: https://www.smugmug.com/gallery/n-7XdTDJ/ M10M + APO 50 Summicron-M link to DNG download here: https://cc2032.zenfolio.com/img/g224428832-o750076470.dat?dl=2&tk=pGHiQTvarxvMtvE7u2nUXMm9kwUIUCKwIaaTaVWRf9M= Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ISO 160 f/2 @1/90 sec. Same as above processed 3 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ISO 160 f/2 @1/90 sec. Same as above processed ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/305695-lets-have-a-look-at-some-dng-files-from-the-m10m/?do=findComment&comment=3899928'>More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted January 26, 2020 Share #63 Posted January 26, 2020 And one more with EV -1. Less compressed JPEGs here: https://www.smugmug.com/gallery/n-7XdTDJ/ M10M + APO 50 Summicron-M link to DNG download here: https://cc2032.zenfolio.com/img/g475549817-o750076470.dat?dl=2&tk=qbQJuvId_GDJGAThNZ6xorsEXJLhMqeCZYTHdSYjkUs= Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ISO 320 f/2 @1/60 sec. Same as above processed 3 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ISO 320 f/2 @1/60 sec. Same as above processed ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/305695-lets-have-a-look-at-some-dng-files-from-the-m10m/?do=findComment&comment=3899930'>More sharing options...
Bo-Sixten Posted January 26, 2020 Share #64 Posted January 26, 2020 (edited) Thanks Chaemono for posting all these files. I really like these last ones dynamic gray scale . Your posts helps me a lot in deciding to go for the M10M. Keep them coming please. Maybe some portraits as well. Edited January 26, 2020 by Bo-Sixten Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted January 26, 2020 Share #65 Posted January 26, 2020 vor einer Stunde schrieb Bo-Sixten: Thanks Chaemono for posting all these files. I really like these last ones dynamic gray scale . Your posts helps me a lot in deciding to go for the M10M. Keep them coming please. Maybe some portraits as well. Thanks. Portraits are a bit of an issue because it would have to be family and I'm not allowed to upload those. I have a couple more from the same place. Yellow filter used because I like the tonal separation better that way. Less compressed JPEGs here: https://www.smugmug.com/gallery/n-7XdTDJ/ M10M + APO 50 Summicron-M link to DNG download here: https://cc2032.zenfolio.com/img/g187837030-o750076470.dat?dl=2&tk=UooHl6t1BXvYS4qaeIIXp10XZu0naKIjUEBlSbSS_Wg= Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ISO 320 f/2.4 @1/60 sec. Same as above processed to taste 4 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ISO 320 f/2.4 @1/60 sec. Same as above processed to taste ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/305695-lets-have-a-look-at-some-dng-files-from-the-m10m/?do=findComment&comment=3900023'>More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted January 26, 2020 Share #66 Posted January 26, 2020 And one more wide open. A bit of camera shake but acceptably sharp wide open. Anyway, it's for the tones and the overall look. The DNG files out of camera can look a bit flat. Less compressed JPEGs here: https://www.smugmug.com/gallery/n-7XdTDJ/ M10M + APO 50 Summicron-M link to DNG download here: https://cc2032.zenfolio.com/img/g223853503-o750076470.dat?dl=2&tk=qHFMChvkr_LQXK9pzc4dn7wFu86AvhJIWaVLWRKC0r4= Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ISO 800 f/2 @1/60 sec. Same as above processed to taste 4 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ISO 800 f/2 @1/60 sec. Same as above processed to taste ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/305695-lets-have-a-look-at-some-dng-files-from-the-m10m/?do=findComment&comment=3900027'>More sharing options...
Guest Nowhereman Posted January 27, 2020 Share #67 Posted January 27, 2020 Advertisement (gone after registration) 23 hours ago, Chaemono said: You seem to want to make every thread about how aesthetically pleasing are the pictures that one takes with the M10M... Absolutely not. At this stage, I'm interested in one thing in particular about the M10M: whether I can use it to produce high contrast images with good mid-tones better (more tone separation in the dark tones and better mid-tones) or more easily. That is why I posted, above, my high-contrast version of your show-window shot and, in another thread, my high-contrast version of your coffee table with books image. I had no conclusion from these two, and then tried your Porsche images, with which I couldn't do much. But then I saw @dkmoore's excellent, dark portrait in the M10M image thread and think that it goes way beyond what I could accomplish with the the M10, both in terms of the gradation in the dark-tones and the mid-tones.________________________Frog Leaping photobook Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted January 27, 2020 Share #68 Posted January 27, 2020 vor 2 Stunden schrieb Nowhereman: [...] But then I saw @dkmoore's excellent, dark portrait in the M10M image thread and think that it goes way beyond what I could accomplish with the the M10, both in terms of the gradation in the dark-tones and the mid-tones.________________________Frog Leaping photobook Got it. Now that you’re happy we can continue to try to see whether the M10M blows highlights and how to deal with the files in lowlight, high contrast scenes which is part of the thesis posed by the OP in the initial post. Hopefully, there’ll be lots of DNG files still to come on this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmradman Posted January 27, 2020 Share #69 Posted January 27, 2020 Much appreciate if you can share some RAW shot at high ISO, say 3200, 6400, 12500. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted January 27, 2020 Share #70 Posted January 27, 2020 First, I'd like to say that in normal situations EV -1 should be the default setting on the M10M and in high contrast scenes -5/3 should always be used if one wants to avoid clipping highlights. Here is one at ISO 3200, ISO 6400, and ISO 12500 with EV -1 (I have a couple where EV -5/3 was necessary, IMO). It's through a window. I may post more. ISO 12500 is perfect as long as, how did Gregory Simpson put it in his excellent review of the M10M, one doesn't manhandle the image too truculently (love that word) in post-processing, and he was referring to ISO 50000, not ISO 12500. Less compressed JPEGs here (just opened in LR with default sharpening, not touched otherwise): https://www.smugmug.com/gallery/n-zvNVdH/ ISO 3200 - link to DNG download here: https://cc2032.zenfolio.com/img/g30078628-o750076470.dat?dl=2&tk=QxCznMBs6X7ZY3DnKwPPo6qBAkxCtrhmuBCIHNn5z9I= Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ISO 6400 - link to DNG download here: https://cc2032.zenfolio.com/img/g51621009-o750076470.dat?dl=2&tk=AEC9MPpbQvgCHfR8d1Cn7YJOCmFkejJJFMpa0sE4kIo= ISO 12500 - link to DNG download here: https://cc2032.zenfolio.com/img/g31494114-o750076470.dat?dl=2&tk=easd24oSw6lO7XXeWSkzXRJGnncw6sSCCecxrWQbjaQ= 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ISO 6400 - link to DNG download here: https://cc2032.zenfolio.com/img/g51621009-o750076470.dat?dl=2&tk=AEC9MPpbQvgCHfR8d1Cn7YJOCmFkejJJFMpa0sE4kIo= ISO 12500 - link to DNG download here: https://cc2032.zenfolio.com/img/g31494114-o750076470.dat?dl=2&tk=easd24oSw6lO7XXeWSkzXRJGnncw6sSCCecxrWQbjaQ= ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/305695-lets-have-a-look-at-some-dng-files-from-the-m10m/?do=findComment&comment=3901011'>More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted January 27, 2020 Share #71 Posted January 27, 2020 And here for those who want to click once to view them in the Lightbox. The ones above are optimized for thread viewing. 😁 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ISO 3200 ISO 6400 ISO 12500 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ISO 3200 ISO 6400 ISO 12500 ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/305695-lets-have-a-look-at-some-dng-files-from-the-m10m/?do=findComment&comment=3901016'>More sharing options...
snooper Posted January 27, 2020 Author Share #72 Posted January 27, 2020 Do I understand that this camera must be used at higher ISO to fulfill the need for higher shutter speed ? It sounds so "heretic" for a M camera that I would appreciate some confirmation.. In some posts they talk about a conservative 1/250th with a 35 Lux just to be sure to be in focus ??? I could nail a perfect focus on a portrait on M10 at 1/15th of a sec with the APO M-50 ! Please tell me I am wrong ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted January 27, 2020 Share #73 Posted January 27, 2020 Heresy! Here's one not at 1/15 sec. but at 1/60 sec. handheld with the APO M-50 (I was standing and I'm tired). Less compressed JPEG here: https://www.smugmug.com/gallery/n-zvNVdH/ Looks pretty sharp to me (Sharpening +60, NR +30 in LR) Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ISO 1000 f/2 @1/60 sec. 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ISO 1000 f/2 @1/60 sec. ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/305695-lets-have-a-look-at-some-dng-files-from-the-m10m/?do=findComment&comment=3901028'>More sharing options...
SrMi Posted January 27, 2020 Share #74 Posted January 27, 2020 15 minutes ago, snooper said: Do I understand that this camera must be used at higher ISO to fulfill the need for higher shutter speed ? It sounds so "heretic" for a M camera that I would appreciate some confirmation.. In some posts they talk about a conservative 1/250th with a 35 Lux just to be sure to be in focus ??? I could nail a perfect focus on a portrait on M10 at 1/15th of a sec with the APO M-50 ! Please tell me I am wrong ! For 35mm, 1/60 sec is more than enough, even for pixel peepers like me :-). For street photography, you may need 1/250sec in order to have the moving people sharp. The shutter speed does not make objects more or less in focus. A minimum shutter speed, that depends on the focal length and the photographer, can prevent blur caused by camera shake. A different minimum shutter speed is necessary to prevent object's motion blur. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmradman Posted January 27, 2020 Share #75 Posted January 27, 2020 2 hours ago, Chaemono said: And here for those who want to click once to view them in the Lightbox. The ones above are optimized for thread viewing. 😁 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ISO 3200 ISO 6400 ISO 12500 Damn, I like shooting proverbial black cats in the cold mine, that M10M looks good at high ISO. M246 will have to do for now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmradman Posted January 28, 2020 Share #76 Posted January 28, 2020 3 hours ago, Chaemono said: First, I'd like to say that in normal situations EV -1 should be the default setting on the M10M and in high contrast scenes -5/3 should always be used if one wants to avoid clipping highlights. Here is one at ISO 3200, ISO 6400, and ISO 12500 with EV -1 (I have a couple where EV -5/3 was necessary, IMO). It's through a window. I may post more. ISO 12500 is perfect as long as, how did Gregory Simpson put it in his excellent review of the M10M, one doesn't manhandle the image too truculently (love that word) in post-processing, and he was referring to ISO 50000, not ISO 12500. Less compressed JPEGs here (just opened in LR with default sharpening, not touched otherwise): https://www.smugmug.com/gallery/n-zvNVdH/ ISO 3200 - link to DNG download here: https://cc2032.zenfolio.com/img/g30078628-o750076470.dat?dl=2&tk=QxCznMBs6X7ZY3DnKwPPo6qBAkxCtrhmuBCIHNn5z9I= Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ISO 6400 - link to DNG download here: https://cc2032.zenfolio.com/img/g51621009-o750076470.dat?dl=2&tk=AEC9MPpbQvgCHfR8d1Cn7YJOCmFkejJJFMpa0sE4kIo= ISO 12500 - link to DNG download here: https://cc2032.zenfolio.com/img/g31494114-o750076470.dat?dl=2&tk=easd24oSw6lO7XXeWSkzXRJGnncw6sSCCecxrWQbjaQ= Much appreciated. Shop windows provide good contrast scene but are reasonably well illuminated, not much challenge for a hight ISO camera. Where you live don't you have a dark alleyway with some rubbish bins and maybe some fog or similar, a torture dungeon perhaps 😁. Any chance of 25000, 50000 an 100000 ISO RAW's, please. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JMF Posted January 28, 2020 Share #77 Posted January 28, 2020 4 hours ago, Chaemono said: Heresy! Here's one not at 1/15 sec. but at 1/60 sec. handheld with the APO M-50 (I was standing and I'm tired). Less compressed JPEG here: https://www.smugmug.com/gallery/n-zvNVdH/ Looks pretty sharp to me (Sharpening +60, NR +30 in LR) Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ISO 1000 f/2 @1/60 sec. Hi, thanks for sharing these photos, why do you have to crank up the sharpening past the usual +25 mark? Thanks, JM. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted January 28, 2020 Share #78 Posted January 28, 2020 vor einer Stunde schrieb JMF: Hi, thanks for sharing these photos, why do you have to crank up the sharpening past the usual +25 mark? Thanks, JM. Default sharpening is +40 in LR when the files are opened. I crank it up a bit more depending on how much NR I apply. In this case NR was +30. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted January 28, 2020 Share #79 Posted January 28, 2020 vor 5 Stunden schrieb mmradman: Where you live don't you have a dark alleyway with some rubbish bins and maybe some fog or similar, a torture dungeon perhaps 😁. It’s been raining cats and dogs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
benaparis Posted January 28, 2020 Share #80 Posted January 28, 2020 (edited) 11 hours ago, snooper said: Do I understand that this camera must be used at higher ISO to fulfill the need for higher shutter speed ? It sounds so "heretic" for a M camera that I would appreciate some confirmation.. In some posts they talk about a conservative 1/250th with a 35 Lux just to be sure to be in focus ??? I could nail a perfect focus on a portrait on M10 at 1/15th of a sec with the APO M-50 ! Please tell me I am wrong ! I second Chaemono and SrMi this is absolutely ridiculous, I could achieve perfect focus at 1/15 with a 50Lux Asph without any particular difficulty...of course it may vary from a person to another or the conditions while your are shooting but the M is still a M...BTW when you shoot at such low speed super sharpness at 100% view on a 40Mpix camera is not your goal tough. If you want to be conservative I think twice the focal range is a good setup depending of course if the subject is moving or not. I think the damped curtain which comes from the M10P helps avoid inner vibration of the camera compared to my M10 which I think has little bit too much inner vibration even compared to the M240 (M246), the M10M (M10P) is even better and definitely much quieter...definitely the best digital M in this respect. Edited January 28, 2020 by benaparis 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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