SL2 Question re: MF w/ M-lens and AE-L

[NRKstudio]

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Quick question: might be a firmware bug, or I am just doing something completely wrong: when using M lenses with the Leica m-l adapter on the SL2, in MF mode, M exposure mode, with auto-iso, how do you get AE-lock to work via the joystick?  I set the joystick functionality to: MF mode, AE-L, but every time I click and hold the joystick, the live view image gets magnified.  For some reason, the magnification shortcut is tied to the joystick when in M exposure mode with auto-iso, and thus AE-L is not possible.  I tried turning off the camera and back on, but I can’t get the joystick to work as AE-L, when I’m in MF mode, M mode.  I just want to be able to aim at a dark or light area in front of me, hold down the joystick to lock the iso (and thus exposure) in place, then click the shutter.  
 

maybe it will never work in M exposure mode, but only in P A or S? Is it because of the MF lens, or the M exposure mode that restricts the joystick AE-L.

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[PeterGA]

See page 128-129 of the user manual .

Pete

[NRKstudio]

13 minutes ago, PeterGA said:

See page 128-129 of the user manual .

Pete

Yes have reviewed already.  Not working as described in manual 

[anickpick]

Joystick AE-L does indeed not work with M lenses.

On the other hand, when I set my Sigma 14-24 to manual, Joystick AE-L works...

... so yes, it‘s a bug.

 

 

Edited December 29, 2019 by anickpick

[NRKstudio]

Thank you for confirmation, i spent too much time reading the manual seeing if some off setting was prohibiting access to AE-L.

one follow up: have you been able to set AE-L to a separate button or do you have a work around? 

thanks! 

2 hours ago, anickpick said:

Joystick AE-L does indeed not work with M lenses.

On the other hand, when I set my Sigma 14-24 to manual, Joystick AE-L works...

... so yes, it‘s a bug.

 

 

 

[SrMi]

3 hours ago, anickpick said:

Joystick AE-L does indeed not work with M lenses.

On the other hand, when I set my Sigma 14-24 to manual, Joystick AE-L works...

... so yes, it‘s a bug.

 

 

If you set any autofocusing lens to manual focus (either in-camera or on-lens), AE-L can occur with joystick press. Only with manual focusing lenses is the joystick fixed and preassigned to magnification. It is the same with Leica SLf.

I am used to locking exposure with shutter button half-press and "locking" focus with the joystick. Half-press locks exposure with mounted M-lenses as well.

[NRKstudio]

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I believe it probably is a bug then, As the behavior is inconsistent.  consistent with the various other camera behaviors, MF only lenses are treated the same as AF lenses that are switched on-lens to MF only.  In Either case, the camera is set to MF mode. 
 

Both Types of lenses would equally benefit from an AE-lock button, aside from the shutter, especially if you are accustomed to back button focusing and/or metering.  also, the manual does not categorize the different joystick settings (Af settings vs. MF settings) by different lens types, the manual categorizes the joystick behavior by whether the camera is in AF modes of MF modes.   

I like Fuji’s (As well as Nikon, Sony, Canon, etc.) method of using a back button to toggle AE-L, with manual or auto focus lenses.  no need to hold the button down if you choose to set it to toggle instead of hold-down.  Though the behavior is consistent with Fuji lenses of adapted Leica lenses on Fuji cameras.  
 

Just another firmware issue here.  I hope Leica gets on these issues, because they certainly have the hardware here for a first class camera. I’d be surprised to hear that some of the Leica beta testers like Sean Reid didn’t find this irritating.  It really comes down to Leica’s tolerance for quality deficiencies at the time of release.  It seems to be growing over time.  Just a couple years ago, my m10-p was without issue, at all.  I don’t think I’ve even updated the firmware, I’ve never encountered a bug.  

[SrMi]

33 minutes ago, NRKstudio said:

I believe it probably is a bug then, As the behavior is inconsistent.  consistent with the various other camera behaviors, MF only lenses are treated the same as AF lenses that are switched on-lens to MF only.  In Either case, the camera is set to MF mode. 
 

Both Types of lenses would equally benefit from an AE-lock button, aside from the shutter, especially if you are accustomed to back button focusing and/or metering.  also, the manual does not categorize the different joystick settings (Af settings vs. MF settings) by different lens types, the manual categorizes the joystick behavior by whether the camera is in AF modes of MF modes.   

I like Fuji’s (As well as Nikon, Sony, Canon, etc.) method of using a back button to toggle AE-L, with manual or auto focus lenses.  no need to hold the button down if you choose to set it to toggle instead of hold-down.  Though the behavior is consistent with Fuji lenses of adapted Leica lenses on Fuji cameras.  
 

Just another firmware issue here.  I hope Leica gets on these issues, because they certainly have the hardware here for a first class camera. I’d be surprised to hear that some of the Leica beta testers like Sean Reid didn’t find this irritating.  It really comes down to Leica’s tolerance for quality deficiencies at the time of release.  It seems to be growing over time.  Just a couple years ago, my m10-p was without issue, at all.  I don’t think I’ve even updated the firmware, I’ve never encountered a bug.  

MF lenses are not treated the same as AF lenses that are in MF mode: with the later you can trigger BBF with joystick with MF lenses you cannot. Leica would need to have a new entry for Joystick: AF Mode, MF Mode and M lenses.

Since that behavior existed since the launch of SL, I assume that is not a bug but works-as-intended (you may not agree with Leica, though).

I do not find this an issue as I use AE-L with shutter button half-press and back button only for focusing. Keeping AE-L and focus lock on separate buttons makes sense to me.