SL2 & Lightroom

[digitalfx]

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4 minutes ago, Manicouagan1 said:

Lightroom CC 9.1 with Camera Raw 12.1 has added support for the SL2.  Thbese are both December 2019 releases.  However none of the SL lenses are supported at this time other than using "built inlens profile."  Most of my older M lenses are supported fully by Lightroom CC when using the M to L adapter..  

 

see our discussion above...SL lenses don't appear to need support and likely won't have profiles, which would explain why none of the SL lenses are even listed and many have been out for many years now. No need to check the box, which by default is not checked unless a lens needs a profile.

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[Chaemono]

vor 13 Minuten schrieb SrMi:

The camera adds the built-in lens profile to the DNG files. What does it say on S1/R + Summicron DNGs when clicking on "i" in the lens correction panel? What kind of correction have been applied? Thanks.

SL2 + 50 Summicron-SL

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S1 + 50 Summicron-SL

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1 hour ago, SrMi said:

The free FOTOS app allows downloading files from camera to the smartphone for free as well.

Unfortunately I didn't get this to work in the free version. The app showed me pictures on the camera only while I test the paid version. So I thought it works with the subscription only.

[SrMi]

11 minutes ago, Manicouagan1 said:

Lightroom CC 9.1 with Camera Raw 12.1 has added support for the SL2.  Thbese are both December 2019 releases.  However none of the SL lenses are supported at this time other than using "built inlens profile."  Most of my older M lenses are supported fully by Lightroom CC when using the M to L adapter..  

 

Some cameras like the Nikon Z series add built-in lens profile to all lenses used (F and Z mount). The built-in lens profile can unfortunately not be turned off in LR.

Some M-lenses show also built-in profile when used on SL, some don't. I think Leica should add built-in lens profiles to all DNG files produced by SL and SL2.

 

[SrMi]

10 minutes ago, Chaemono said:

SL2 + 50 Summicron-SL

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S1 + 50 Summicron-SL

S1 writes the built-in profile into the raw files, but SL2 does not. On S1 version, when clicking on "i" circle at the bottom left of "Objektivkorrekturen" panel, a dialog window will pop up saying something like "...lens name ... This raw file contains a built-in lens profile for correcting distortion and chromatic aberration. The profile has already been applied automatically to this image." The dialog tells which correction have been found in the built-in profile and applied.

 

[Chaemono]

vor 3 Minuten schrieb SrMi:

S1 writes the built-in profile into the raw files, but SL2 does not. On S1 version, when clicking on "i" circle at the bottom left of "Objektivkorrekturen" panel, a dialog window will pop up saying something like "...lens name ... This raw file contains a built-in lens profile for correcting distortion and chromatic aberration. The profile has already been applied automatically to this image."

The SL1 also wrote the built-in profile into the raw files and one would get the same message when clicking on “i.”   How do the correct lens profiles get applied to the SL2 files?

[SrMi]

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4 minutes ago, Chaemono said:

The SL1 also wrote the built-in profile into the raw files and one would get the same message when clicking on “i.”   How do the correct lens profiles get applied to the SL2 files?

The camera writes the built in profiles into the raw file. LR reads the profile from the raw file and applies it.

Do you say that SL files have the built-in profile for Summicrons, while SL2 files don’t?

[Chaemono]

vor 1 Minute schrieb SrMi:

The camera writes the built in profiles into the raw file. LR reads the profile from the raw file and applies it.

Do you say that SL files have the built-in profile for Summicrons, while SL2 files don’t?

No, I suspect both have the built-in profiles written into the raw files.  It’s just that in the case of the SL1, the message in LR one would get was exactly the same as with the S1 shown above.  Not with the SL2 in the current LR version, at least.  I don’t have an SL1 to check what LR would show today.

[hoppyman]

On 12/9/2019 at 5:51 AM, hoppyman said:

That may be because Adobe does not have a profile for the SL2 yet. I expect it will be added in an update.

This morning I note that Adobe has announced support for the SL2 has been added in Lightroom Classic 9.1 update

Edited December 10, 2019 by hoppyman

[SrMi]

26 minutes ago, Chaemono said:

No, I suspect both have the built-in profiles written into the raw files.  It’s just that in the case of the SL1, the message in LR one would get was exactly the same as with the S1 shown above.  Not with the SL2 in the current LR version, at least.  I don’t have an SL1 to check what LR would show today.

SL2 files created with Sigma 45 and the Leica Varios have built-in profiles that are recognized and applied by LR. We do not know if SL2 is not writing the profiles for Summicrons or LR cannot read the ones for Summicrons. Would be interesting to know if SL1 writes built-in profiles for Summicrons.

[Chaemono]

vor 2 Stunden schrieb hofo100:

I remember raising this question when I received my 90SL summicron - Easy answer has been that the Summicrons are so good that there is no need for an embedded lens profile. Accordingly, LR properly shows only for the 3 varios that the embedded profile has been applied.

+1.  And the 50 Summilux-SL

vor einer Stunde schrieb SrMi:

The camera writes the built in profiles into the raw file. LR reads the profile from the raw file and applies it.

Do you say that SL files have the built-in profile for Summicrons, while SL2 files don’t?

Holger's explanation above must be right. I just checked an old SL1 DNG with the 75 Summicron-SL, made a copy, and removed the opcodes in one.  I also took a picture with the 50 Summilux-SL on the SL2, made a copy of the DNG, and removed the opcodes in one.  In 75 Summicron-SL picture, LR says for both files "the correct lens profile cannot be found automatically."  With the 50 Summilux-SL, however, this is only the case for the file where the opcodes have been removed. For the 50 Summilux-SL DNG from the SL2 where the opcodes are included, LR says "built-in lens profile applied."  The only mystery now is why does LR say "built-in lens profile applied" with the SL Summicrons on the S1/R?   LR must recognize any adjustments Panasonic applies to recognize these Leica SL Summicrons on the Lumix bodies.  

vor 35 Minuten schrieb SrMi:

SL2 files created with Sigma 45 and the Leica Varios have built-in profiles that are recognized and applied by LR. We do not know if SL2 is not writing the profiles for Summicrons or LR cannot read the ones for Summicrons. Would be interesting to know if SL1 writes built-in profiles for Summicrons.

Mystery solved.  I took an RW2 file from the S1 that was created with the 50 Summicron-SL.  There is no lens profile to be applied when this lens is used on the SL2, but LR shows that there is when it’s used on the Lumix bodies.  I converted the RW2 file to a DNG and removed the opcodes Panasonic applied to it.  LR now says "the correct lens profile cannot be found automatically."  

To summarize, Holger is right, the SL Summicrons are so good that they don't need any lens profiles for distortion corrections.  The 50 Summilux-SL, on the other hand, does and SL2 files with this lens in LR will say "build-in lens profile applied."  What LR shows for the SL Summicrons on the Lumix bodies as lens profiles being applied is whatever Panasonic writes to the RAW files,  which are not distortion corrections, as these lenses don't need them.

Edited December 10, 2019 by Chaemono

[digitalfx]

1 hour ago, rim_light said:

Unfortunately I didn't get this to work in the free version. The app showed me pictures on the camera only while I test the paid version. So I thought it works with the subscription only.

There is currently a bug...if you have two cards in the camera it won't display images. Remove one of the SD cards and it should work fine

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7 minutes ago, digitalfx said:

There is currently a bug...if you have two cards in the camera it won't display images. Remove one of the SD cards and it should work fine

thank you - where can I find such hints of bugs?

[digitalfx]

its been discussed several times...unfortunately, because its a new group its spread throughout the forum in different topics. 

There are a couple FOTOS discussions where it was mentioned here and here:

FYI- Leica is aware and working on a fix

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On 12/10/2019 at 9:40 PM, hoppyman said:

This morning I note that Adobe has announced support for the SL2 has been added in Lightroom Classic 9.1 update

Hmmm, am still on LR 6.14. Wondering if I need to go to LC 9.1 and start to pay monthly fees ...

As I am considering a X-rite Colorchecker V2 to teach my eyes the colors the different M and SL lenses render through my SL2, can anyone let me know if one need the SL2 profiles in LR to do so?

Thanks!

[hoppyman]

Pre that specific profiling DNG files from the SL2 could still be edited in LR of course. Personally I am happy to use Adobe’s subscription model to have always latest versions of LR and Ps.

Monitor calibration is about predictability and accuracy of how you see your images, however processed, not specific profiles, except that you need that calibration if you were trying to compare files from different cameras processed with identical settings, I think. You need more than that, with viewing conditions and planned end use etc known too. It’s a big topic, but the more control you have the better.

Profiles are the starting point of how you edit of course

Edited February 9, 2020 by hoppyman

[DrM]

Hi

The discussion above was very helpful, thank you. I have an additional question. When I right click the DNG file in windows 10, go to properties.. there is no camera info and no copyright info. Do you experience the same?

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Marc

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Btw, the info is available for the JPEGs.

Marc

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On 12/9/2019 at 6:06 AM, thighslapper said:

errr..... Not sure I understand this ....... I've checked and all my SL2 images have " ! Built in Lens Profile Applied " for both Leica SL and Lumix lenses.

Bear in mind that the 75/2 appears never to have had any lens profiles to apply so the 'lens corrections' panel is blank ...... and was the same with the SL.....

Up till now, do you have any lens profiles for your SL 75/2?

On 12/10/2019 at 5:45 AM, panoreserve said:

And that‘s the case not only for 75mm but for all SL-Summicrons...

I have the SL APO 35/2, and there is always no lens profile for it in Lightroom ...

On 12/11/2019 at 2:18 AM, Chaemono said:

I’m on LR Classic 9.0 and there doesn’t seem to be another update AFAICT.  Also, mine doesn’t say “built-in lens profile applied.”  When I tick the profile box, I get the message “the right profile cannot automatically be found.” 

I got 'the right profile cannot automatically be found' too but only for the SL APO 35/2, I got a lens profile for 24-90, 16-35, 90-280 and SL 50/1.4...

On 12/11/2019 at 3:03 AM, hofo100 said:

I remember raising this question when I received my 90SL summicron - Easy answer has been that the Summicrons are so good that there is no need for an embedded lens profile. Accordingly, LR properly shows only for the 3 varios that the embedded profile has been applied.

 

 

I have always had the "automatic lens correction profile applied" for all three Varios and the SL 50/1.4, but no such profile either embedded or in manual selection in Lightroom for the SL APO 35/2 ....

On 12/11/2019 at 3:17 AM, SrMi said:

I do not expect any changes, since the built-in profile is added (or not) by the camera.

I assume there's just simply no lens profile for the SL APO 35/2 at all then? 

On 12/11/2019 at 3:19 AM, digitalfx said:

By default it looks like this...that message only appears if you click "Enable Profiles" box. 

I assume since a profile isn't necessary, there is no reason to select the option.

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Guys, I have always had the corresponding lens profile automatically embedded when importing pictures taken with the SL 16-35, 24-90, 90-280 and 50/1.4:

But all pictures taken with the APO-Summicron-SL 35mm f/2 ASPH. has no embedded automatically lens profile, and no lens profile can be found manually in the Lightroom dropdown menu, is there simply no profiles for this lens?