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Colour problems in Sl 2 - reds are all magenta - raw on aperture

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PhaseOne is working on a SL2 profile. So a bit patience and the colors should be better: https://youtu.be/W7jsG0R0v08?t=2747 Generell information how the cameraprofiles for DNGs in C1 works and

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@PeterGA thanks, mate ... an important financial manager so couldn’t screw it 😂

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If you are running Aperture, that has been obsolete for years and is certainly not reliable for newly released cameras. Try a current post processing software. 

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I’m paying $10/mo

and get both lesions of LR apps + photoshop. No color issues at all with latest update. I personally find LR superior, extremely fast at processing images and very intuitive app. I’m using LR Classic most of the time, but find the other version useful when on location as I can process images on my phone or iPad and when I return home they are automatically loaded into LR and I can check them in the Classic app

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2 hours ago, Jeff S said:

Don’t know which plan you’re pricing, but the basic Photography plan, which includes LR and Photoshop, is $9.99 US monthly.  I use LR Classic, which has the same controls and interface as the standalone version, but with more features and continuing updates. I don’t use or pay for cloud storage. But I don’t know about Australian costs.

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Jeff, I’m talking about C1 aka Capture One subscription, it was taken out of the context and in reply to Peter’s comment. I have LR perpetual licence on Mac and it is not working well with SL2 for skin tones. C1 works, for me, very well.

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Skin tones are good when processed with C1. This shot with Summicron-M 2/90 Leitz circa 1995. 
 

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26 minutes ago, meerec said:

Jeff, I’m talking about C1 aka Capture One subscription, it was taken out of the context and in reply to Peter’s comment. I have LR perpetual licence on Mac and it is not working well with SL2 for skin tones. C1 works, for me, very well.

Still easily fixed in LR, as discussed.

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1 hour ago, meerec said:

Skin tones are good when processed with C1. This shot with Summicron-M 2/90 Leitz circa 1995. 
 

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Lovely shot.

I was a very reluctant as in obstinately reluctant changer to C1 after using LR /PS for longer than I care to admit to....

However C1 is superior to LR in colour management (no question re skin tones) in particular and in offering the amenity of masking and layers - any required final PP in PS is easy as well...I wish their DAM was more intuitive but if I remember to follow some simple rules I have less hassles than with LR amateurish Catalogue and lost files syndrome...

The real clincher ( for me) was when Phase One bowed down to the might of Fuji and started supporting them for MF stuff at that point I realised that C1 was likely to be around for longer than Adobe had hoped for.. - ;) - also I get the benefit of much better Fuji RAF processing...

The only issue I see with C1 on SL2 files is the lack of a 'real' ICC profile for SL2 ( no surprises is there?) - in the meantime a red chanel fix is easy - even easier with a tad of desat for the lazy ( like me)...

As for LR it is now consigned to storage of the last 20 years of 'stuff' as of 2019 I'm 100% C1. 

 

 

 

 

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55 minutes ago, Jeff S said:

Have you made and added custom profiles?

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Not yet ... if one goes that path, it makes sense to create profiles for a fully colour managed workflow: I intend to try it this week. Have the 24 tile colorchecker sheet printed to half a dozen papers I most often use, will shoot those in different typical lighting conditions (daylight, studio lights, dawn/dusk) and create profiles for all those to import and use in LR. If it works well, it will save me $500 in acquiring C1. But C1 seems attractive anyway. 

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15 minutes ago, meerec said:

Not yet ... if one goes that path, it makes sense to create profiles for a fully colour managed workflow: I intend to try it this week. Have the 24 tile colorchecker sheet printed to half a dozen papers I most often use, will shoot those in different typical lighting conditions (daylight, studio lights, dawn/dusk) and create profiles for all those to import and use in LR. If it works well, it will save me $500 in acquiring C1. But C1 seems attractive anyway. 

Of course, as a skilled user, I wouldn’t expect anything other than a fully color managed workflow, especially for printing. That’s the point. So far,  you really haven’t put your PP skills to full use.  The software isn’t the issue... at this point... IMO.  I think you’ll be fine, although I would still recommend your using the latest LR version to ensure all new camera and lens updates, as well as added editing features.

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 Lovely shot.

I was a very reluctant as in obstinately reluctant changer to C1 after using LR /PS for longer than I care to admit to....

However C1 is superior to LR in colour management (no question re skin tones) in particular and in offering the amenity of masking and layers - any required final PP in PS is easy as well...I wish their DAM was more intuitive but if I remember to follow some simple rules I have less hassles than with LR amateurish Catalogue and lost files syndrome...

The real clincher ( for me) was when Phase One bowed down to the might of Fuji and started supporting them for MF stuff at that point I realised that C1 was likely to be around for longer than Adobe had hoped for.. - ;) - also I get the benefit of much better Fuji RAF processing...

The only issue I see with C1 on SL2 files is the lack of a 'real' ICC profile for SL2 ( no surprises is there?) - in the meantime a red chanel fix is easy - even easier with a tad of desat for the lazy ( like me)...

As for LR it is now consigned to storage of the last 20 years of 'stuff' as of 2019 I'm 100% C1. 

 

 

 

 

Peter I’m in the same boat exactly. I need to close my LR chapter, with equal years of use and a catalogue of 200,000 images. Will still keep the LR catalogue for finding things and start with C1 anew. C1’s DAM is supposed to be workable, nothing like a bit of challenge 🤓 Unlike many other LR users, I had a stint with Sony A7’s for a year and Phase offered a $30 Sony-only perpetual licence C1 in those days, so I used C1 in anger then. And again, the reason we talk about it is that C1 handles SL2 flies in a superior way to LR in my opinion. 

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Peter I’m in the same boat exactly. I need to close my LR chapter, with equal years of use and a catalogue of 200,000 images. Will still keep the LR catalogue for finding things and start with C1 anew. C1’s DAM is supposed to be workable, nothing like a bit of challenge 🤓 Unlike many other LR users, I had a stint with Sony A7’s for a year and Phase offered a $30 Sony-only perpetual licence C1 in those days, so I used C1 in anger then. And again, the reason we talk about it is that C1 handles SL2 flies in a superior way to LR in my opinion. 

Well (unfortunately) both C1 and LR have issues with DAM - for different reasons....

 

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Of course, as a skilled user, I wouldn’t expect anything other than a fully color managed workflow, especially for printing. That’s the point. So far,  you really haven’t put your PP skills to full use.  The software isn’t the issue... at this point... IMO.  I think you’ll be fine, although I would still recommend your using the latest LR version to ensure all new camera and lens updates, as well as added editing features.

Jeff

Jeff, I have refused to pay subscription fees to Adobe for years. I’m one of those guys who acquired the perpetual LR licence for Mac way back and have upgraded it for a long as I could until such time that Adobe stopped updating LR for Mac non-creative cloud version. So be it. Time to move on. My PS CS6 on Mac stopped working two months ago with Catalina. So be it. C1 offers layers, and for anything Photoshop-like that I occasionally need I have the Affinity software on Mac that works brilliantly. Adobe: bye!!

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6 minutes ago, meerec said:

Jeff, I have refused to pay subscription fees to Adobe for years. I’m one of those guys who acquired the perpetual LR licence for Mac way back and have upgraded it for a long as I could until such time that Adobe stopped updating LR for Mac non-creative cloud version. So be it. Time to move on. My PS CS6 on Mac stopped working two months ago with Catalina. So be it. C1 offers layers, and for anything Photoshop-like that I occasionally need I have the Affinity software on Mac that works brilliantly. Adobe: bye!!

Different strokes. I, too, had the perpetual license for years, happily paying for major upgrades until the final version.  $120 bucks a year is peanuts to me for LR and PS combined, considering what I pay for photo gear and supplies overall. It’s also less than I used to spend regularly in film days on back end processing, which I consider as critical as the front end.  If Adobe ever mandates cloud storage, I might quit as well, but for now it’s easily worth the small cost.  Heck, I think $895 for ImagePrint, which I use in conjunction with LR, another value.  :)

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vor 6 Stunden schrieb PeterGA:

Happens all the time with new camera releases - takes a while for C1 to get around to Leica stuff.

Anyway there are many ways to fix the issue with a couple of seconds  of PP in LR or C1...or anything else really.

Have a look at subscription instead - works out the sameish...

can you please advise how to work around and get nice colour tones..... thank you very much 

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22 hours ago, Petrus61 said:

.......Actually for me its more about getting the image correct to start with rather than spending time modifying them by software........

Agree, saves a lot of hassle down the line. 

52 minutes ago, meerec said:

Jeff, I have refused to pay subscription fees to Adobe for years. I’m one of those guys who acquired the perpetual LR licence for Mac way back and have upgraded it for a long as I could until such time that Adobe stopped updating LR for Mac non-creative cloud version. So be it. ......

I'm in the same position, I refuse to pay subscription fees having also previously purchased the perpetual LR licence for Mac. It's not about the $120- or so p.a.

I use Iridient Developer, very pleased with the results. It's especially good for managing highlights and very useful for me, given the harsh lighting conditions I often shoot in. For quick minor tweaks and edits for clients, I purchased PS Elements and upgrade to the newer version every 2 years or so. I also find that Preview in Mac works well for slight tweaking when a client wants an image to quickly share while we're on a trip. For this reason I shoot DNG & Jpeg.

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4 minutes ago, alexander said:

can you please advise how to work around and get nice colour tones..... thank you very much 

Hi Alexander

Working in the raw file - which C1 will call generic DNG since they haven't made their version of a profile- which is actually an ICC file yet..

Assuming you have concerns about the treatment of a specific colour(s) in your images and not the overall white balance of your image then:

You have two tools that you can choose to selectively work on very specific colours in C1

1. Firstly, you have the Colour Editor; and

2. Secondly, you have Colour Balance;

(1) For skin tones the colour editor has a tab which can select to modify skin tones to taste for other colours you have basic and advanced tabs -

(2) For overall colour work in the colour balance tool - you have the ability to work independently on highlight midtone and shadow colours in Colour balance tool or overall in Master tab.

These tools are very powerful in C1 and I suggest that you go to Capture One learning site and choose a tutorial(s) if using the tools is new to you - however to start with you can test these tools yourself very easily.

Hope this helps

Pete

 

 

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