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Thanks jaapv.  I appreciate that.  I’m an old Rollei user and enjoy composing through a square viewfinder. This is a simple software issue and given the number of cameras that allow this I am surprised Leica, that provides it on the SL, does  not also put it in the CL menu. This will probably be a game changer for me and my Leica kit may now well be sold. As my name is meant to suggest I am a Fuji X system user and having had a Leica in the past thought I would try one again.  The lenses are nice though slow. but the quirkiness and limitations of the camera frustrate me.  Still, I had to try it to find out.  Thanks again for your help here and in the past.  

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5 hours ago, XMan said:

Thanks jaapv.  I appreciate that.  I’m an old Rollei user and enjoy composing through a square viewfinder. This is a simple software issue and given the number of cameras that allow this I am surprised Leica, that provides it on the SL, does  not also put it in the CL menu. This will probably be a game changer for me and my Leica kit may now well be sold. As my name is meant to suggest I am a Fuji X system user and having had a Leica in the past thought I would try one again.  The lenses are nice though slow. but the quirkiness and limitations of the camera frustrate me.  Still, I had to try it to find out.  Thanks again for your help here and in the past.  

Look at the D-Lux range.

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I hear this kind of thing all the time and it always makes me wonder..

The instruction manual for nearly any modern camera is easily available to download and will articulate the feature details like this. Why not look at that before buying a $5000 camera and lens, rather than being disappointed after spending all that money when the camera doesn't have some feature which is important to you? 

I find the Fuji X system cameras to be too quirky for me to use, and the Leica CL to be a matter of simplicity and ease. That's why I don't buy Fuji X cameras. But that's a personal judgement and not intended to disparage anyone else's preferences ... I just wonder when people ask questions whose answers would be obvious with a five minute glance at the instruction manual. 

(I also shoot square framing all the time. On the CL, I turn on the grid overlay and use its reference lines to approximate my intended square. With just a few moment's practice, it becomes second nature. Of course, I love squares and today have my Hasselblad 500CM + Distagon 50mm loaded up for a walk in San Francisco... :D )

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13 hours ago, XMan said:

This is a simple software issue and given the number of cameras that allow this I am surprised Leica, that provides it on the SL, does  not also put it in the CL menu.

Works fine on my Fuji X-E2 but the view feels very small in the EVF then. Leica did not implement it for this reason perhaps or because this feature is not asked by customers more probably but i have no info about that.

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I do wish Leica would add jpeg cleverness to the CL and TL2

1:1 aspect ( jpeg + perspective shift offset to move the 1:1 frame up and down within the 3:2 bound )

Highlight priority metering

jpeg bracketing - e.g. B&W + color neg + DNG

The TL2 already has a focus scale display in MF, and adding these above features would make it, with the 18 and 23 TL lenses, interesting like the Ricoh GRIII.

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rammaren, thank  you for your input.  I agree with your comment 'makes me wonder'. You are so right and I kick myself for not having done what I have generally done in the past.  I had downloaded the manual but found it a little impenetrable and did not follow up all of my wish list.  Although I think I must have assumed that this feature, available on so many of my other cameras, would be there - yes I know - never assume!  Almost like walking in to the car showroom and not bothering to count the wheels, and I had assumed that now so common feature would be there.   Anyway, we sometimes learn from our mistakes and maybe I will.  

wda, thank you for your reference to the D-Lux.  I own every iteration of the Lumix LX Series cameras (several of this line are badged D-Lux) and the LX100 would be the most versatile and heavily featured camera I have ever used and just marvellous for travel being so compact yet so powerful.  I think it is Leica badged as D-Lux 5?  Any way My LX100, which was always pampered, was suddenly afflicted with a spot on the sensor. Probably a speck of dust sucked in with the zoom.  I followed up on what to do and the advice ended up being the the camera is so compactly built that it is very difficult to dismantle and more so to put back together and that it would not be worth the expense and might never work properly again.  After so many happy Lumix years that break in my confidence led me to Fuji, a move I have not regretted.  I got into the CL as I am always chasing perfection and the reality has hit home that the Leica is not perfect either.  Such is life.

Thank you all who contributed to my query.  Those with a direct line to Leica might mention my wish for a variety of formats and at least 1:1.

 

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8 hours ago, XMan said:

rammaren, thank  you for your input.  I agree with your comment 'makes me wonder'. You are so right and I kick myself for not having done what I have generally done in the past.  I had downloaded the manual but found it a little impenetrable and did not follow up all of my wish list.  Although I think I must have assumed that this feature, available on so many of my other cameras, would be there - yes I know - never assume!  Almost like walking in to the car showroom and not bothering to count the wheels, and I had assumed that now so common feature would be there.   Anyway, we sometimes learn from our mistakes and maybe I will.  

wda, thank you for your reference to the D-Lux.  I own every iteration of the Lumix LX Series cameras (several of this line are badged D-Lux) and the LX100 would be the most versatile and heavily featured camera I have ever used and just marvellous for travel being so compact yet so powerful.  I think it is Leica badged as D-Lux 5?  Any way My LX100, which was always pampered, was suddenly afflicted with a spot on the sensor. Probably a speck of dust sucked in with the zoom.  I followed up on what to do and the advice ended up being the the camera is so compactly built that it is very difficult to dismantle and more so to put back together and that it would not be worth the expense and might never work properly again.  After so many happy Lumix years that break in my confidence led me to Fuji, a move I have not regretted.  I got into the CL as I am always chasing perfection and the reality has hit home that the Leica is not perfect either.  Such is life.

Thank you all who contributed to my query.  Those with a direct line to Leica might mention my wish for a variety of formats and at least 1:1.

 

First, don't assume that the D-Lux cannot be cleaned of dust. Leica UK offer such a service and have been very helpful to customers in the past. I have the D-Lux Typ 109 which is a very versatile companion to system cameras when travelling. Like you, I often instinctively see my possible pictures in square format terms. I do suggest you revisit your decision to have your DL5 cleaned. It would be an excellent solution for you.

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3 hours ago, wda said:

First, don't assume that the D-Lux cannot be cleaned of dust. Leica UK offer such a service and have been very helpful to customers in the past. I have the D-Lux Typ 109 which is a very versatile companion to system cameras when travelling. Like you, I often instinctively see my possible pictures in square format terms. I do suggest you revisit your decision to have your DL5 cleaned. It would be an excellent solution for you.

I have both a CL and a DL-109. The 109 is NOT parked in a cupboard, unused. It’s incredibly versatile, lightweight, pocket sized and produces more than reasonable IQ, particularly if your images are going to be shared electronically. It offers enough flexibility that I can use it “my way” to create RAW images, and another profile works for my wife with jpegs. Sometimes the 109 is all you need.

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21 hours ago, XMan said:

rammaren, thank  you for your input.  I agree with your comment 'makes me wonder'. You are so right and I kick myself for not having done what I have generally done in the past.  I had downloaded the manual but found it a little impenetrable and did not follow up all of my wish list.  Although I think I must have assumed that this feature, available on so many of my other cameras, would be there - yes I know - never assume!  Almost like walking in to the car showroom and not bothering to count the wheels, and I had assumed that now so common feature would be there.   Anyway, we sometimes learn from our mistakes and maybe I will.  

wda, thank you for your reference to the D-Lux.  I own every iteration of the Lumix LX Series cameras (several of this line are badged D-Lux) and the LX100 would be the most versatile and heavily featured camera I have ever used and just marvellous for travel being so compact yet so powerful.  I think it is Leica badged as D-Lux 5?  Any way My LX100, which was always pampered, was suddenly afflicted with a spot on the sensor. Probably a speck of dust sucked in with the zoom.  I followed up on what to do and the advice ended up being the the camera is so compactly built that it is very difficult to dismantle and more so to put back together and that it would not be worth the expense and might never work properly again.  After so many happy Lumix years that break in my confidence led me to Fuji, a move I have not regretted.  I got into the CL as I am always chasing perfection and the reality has hit home that the Leica is not perfect either.  Such is life.

Thank you all who contributed to my query.  Those with a direct line to Leica might mention my wish for a variety of formats and at least 1:1.

 

The D-Luxes, V-luxes etc. are not rebadged Fujis, but Panasonics.

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